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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Would the world have been better off if women had a more dominant role over the past 2000 years?

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Trebe · 31/03/2019 18:32

Hi, this is my first time posting on here but this question has sparked my curiosity. Would like to find out the views from the feminist stand point. Now I get the feeling this question coukd get a little uncivil, that is not my intention but a little bit of tenacity and passion would be nice to see.

The reason I see this question getting messy is simple, at some point stereotypes and generalisations are almost certainly going to come into this. In some ways I welcome that because it means we are having an honest discussion. Some stereotyping about men and women is going to be impossible to avoid as we are guessing and generalising the history of the past 2000 years. So yes men are more violent and yes women are more emotional, these in general terms, are facts. I think to even remotely answer the question generalisations, are necessary. So no offence intended when I generalise both men and women.

Obviously over the past 2 millennia men have ruled the roost, so we could attribute every good thing or every bad thing that has happened to men. The question I'm trying to ask is would we have had more atrocities if women had a more dominant role in decision making? Would we be as technologically and scientifically advanced? Would we be a more empathetic and understanding society and civilisation?

As a man I like to and would like to think men did the best they could in certain areas such as war (over 2000 years wars will happen no matter who is in charge), the advancement of science and maths, architecture, art etc. There are things men are good at (in general, I'm only saying in general once as almost everything about this is generalised), organisation, logic, maths and massive over-generalisations! Anyway these things have given us great advancements but it has also caused a lot of suffering in the process.

The logical, organisational, scientific mind is what caused atrocities such as the holocaust. The organisation and systematic nature of the concentration camps came from such thinking. It begs the question would women have done similar things if they were in charge, or at least had equal influence. The simple statement I have on it is, the extermination of certain peoples may have still happened I'm just not so sure it would have been done in such a cold blooded and efficient manner. I firmly believe that only a male would conceive of concentration camps. So on the death, destruction and famine part I'm gonna side on women doing a 'better' job than men.

To the question of technological and scientific advancements, I claim indifference to an opinion on whether we would be more advanced or not. It is a very difficult question to have a solid opinion on to be honest. It's very difficult to know as women to a certain extent (Madame Curie being the obvious exception but there are others), have been for lack of a better word, excluded from the sciences especially in the first 50 years of the 20th century when a lot of important science we use today was being discovered. Some feminists, well usually misandrists to be fair, don't like to admit that we live in a world that was created by men and that includes the good things such as the massive and rapid advancements in technology, health and science. That I do believe is helped by the way the male brain works.

When it comes to things like art, poetry, architecture, religion, psychology (especially psychology), sociology and many more of the humanities could have done with the influence of women. We would have a massive wealth of extra art, literature, architecture, poetry, music and more just by women having a stronger input over the past 2000 years. When it comes to more recent times I think womens input into psychology would have been massive, I don't think we would have gone down such extreme routes to control people like we did with the holocaust if women had their input on things like behavioural psychology.

I think war would have been (as much as possible) more humane and over much quicker. Do I think women can wage war just like any other human? Of course I do, I also believe there would have been wars, I don't believe that war would disappear if men did. I just believe women wouldn't want the carnage, the salt the ground or scorched earth policies men have adopted in the past.

Anyway I'm sort of rambling so I'll conclude. I am basically trying to engage in a discussion about women over the past 2000 years but also the past couple of hundred of years. Yes I'm sure there is absolutely loads I could add to this but I would like to hear your views on the question at hand. Feel free to generalise as much as is necessary just don't try to do it to be a dick, do it because you have a point.

Looking forward to hearing your thoughts!

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JesusInTheCabbageVan · 31/03/2019 19:21

At 19.08 ^^

Trebe · 31/03/2019 19:22

If you mean my examples of degrees, yes there are many ways in which it is flawed. Just the sample size alone makes for a bad example but it is my experience I was conveying. Also using that example I would 100% prefer a female therapist to a male. Except for one woman I knew on my course, no empathy at all.

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Potplant2 · 31/03/2019 19:24

Any other ways it might be flawed, Trebe? Why might more women choose counselling professions and men statistical ones, for instance?

Trebe · 31/03/2019 19:24

I've been called worse things than fascinatingly obtuse. As an insult I quite like it lol.

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Trebe · 31/03/2019 19:26

Why do you think its that way? I'm not trying to trick you, what is your opinion on what I said and why I'm stupid for it. I have no problem being wrong at all.

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droningtraffic · 31/03/2019 19:27

It's a bollocks question.

Women could not have had more dominance because they are women. They bare children and are physically weaker. It's hard to dominate anything when permanently exhausted from childbearing.

MenuPlant · 31/03/2019 19:28

There have been threads here in this topic many times over the years.

Try searching and reading some of them, the ones I saw were v interesting.

By the way your OP inspired emotions in me, which is only to be expected as women are creatures ruled by emotion. The main emotion it inspired was quite intense irritation. Both at the tone and at the length. I couldn't be arsed to read it all.

Go and do an advanced search and tell us what you discover.

Trebe · 31/03/2019 19:30

No, it's a hypothetical question. If women had more influence, lets say men weren't the dicks were to women in the past and they had more say. A vote, the right to say no to sex, an opinion that wasn't muted because it came from a woman.

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Trebe · 31/03/2019 19:35

Everyone is taking this very personally. It's a thought I had, I learn from discussion, I want/wanted the voices of people with knowledge and personal interest in the subject. Also the emotional thing was said as a stereotyping on purpose and was stated as such. I do not believe women are over emotional, which seems to be how it has been taken. I am not saying to any one person that they are emotional but yes I am saying I think women in general are more empathetic. I believe it's a good thing.

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MenuPlant · 31/03/2019 19:36

We understand its a hypothetical question, fucking hell, how stupid do you think women are?

I just told you, this question has been done loads of times on this board. Use advanced search and do some reading.

Trebe · 31/03/2019 19:38

Why did you make it about women? I don't know and it makes no difference to me if you are. If this is how you react to a simple and genuinely interested question, I spare thought for the people who are trying to troll you. Or look down on you for being a woman, even though you just paradoxically did that to yourself.

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MenuPlant · 31/03/2019 19:41

Are you going to do an advanced search then?

That is my genuine and freely given advice, and it is good advice. A thank you would be nice. My instinct was to ignore this thread but I thought no give the fella a steer. Now I'm being told off for my trouble :/

LangCleg · 31/03/2019 19:42

The vitriol I've received wasn't expected and I find kinda strange really.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You didn't even get through a page without the giveaway word vitriol.

0/10 love. Try harder next time.

Trebe · 31/03/2019 19:42

Well you did just accuse me of thinking all women are stupid. I take it personally and get emotional when someone calls me a misogynist.

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LangCleg · 31/03/2019 19:43

Anyway.

Kleenex alert, everyone.

Trebe · 31/03/2019 19:44

Is vitriol a word used by trolls or something? I think I've been very polite considering the question aand how it was phrased in comparison to the way I've been jumped on.

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MenuPlant · 31/03/2019 19:46

Yes obvious from outset :D

Go and do your own research feels like a good answer. This topic has been done lots of times.

I don't think that's what op was looking for though, can't think why.

Trebe · 31/03/2019 19:47

Wanted a genuine discussion and this is the reaction? Thought I might get intelligent discussion on here, one of the reasons I posted it on here.

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sackrifice · 31/03/2019 19:47

feminism in its true sense makes perfect sense as long as it's equality and not equity that is trying to be attained.

So you want women to kill 2-3 men a week?

That's not on is it?

Trebe · 31/03/2019 19:50

If this is how you react to me and, the question I asked, your movement which is one I support, is in trouble.

It sort of just lends to the myth that it's misandry and not feminism that your supporting.

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MenuPlant · 31/03/2019 19:51

There is plenty of intelligent discussion on all the previous threads on this question.

If you read them you might also get a few clues as to how people talk to each other on these boards and why your op has been so ill received.

Thestral · 31/03/2019 19:51

Try some of these:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=feminism&ref=nbsbnoss

before demanding that we educate you.

Trebe · 31/03/2019 19:51

I don't want women or men to kill each other.

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MenuPlant · 31/03/2019 19:52

:D

I think we're building up to a OPs not at all foregone conclusion and flounce, laydees!!!

Trebe · 31/03/2019 19:52

I demanded nothing, I asked for discussion.

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