More, poor me nonsense

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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/31/trans-day-of-visibility-swimming-pool?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

'The thought of stepping into such a highly gendered space where someone could potentially target me because of certain physical features of mine is terrifying.'

Well, that's rich!

And as the great philosopher Jagger once said 'you can't always get what you want'.

Yes I'm sure all the women who won't want to use mixed sex facilities and will stay at home enjoy swimming and exercise too, Owl. And it helps them with their health and body image just as much as it does you.

So is Owl saying they would be happy in a mixed sex space? Or there's always wild swimming.

I'm sure the thought of male bodied people stepping into a single sex space where women intentionally chose to come to be apart from male bodied people, and their concerns already having been intentionally targeted to have their single sex space violated because of certain physical features of theirs, not to mention their concerns about being physically and sexually violated because of certain physical features of theirs and of male bodies and shamed and litigated against if they try to stand up for their boundaries, is also terrifying a good number of those women. Who have lost their single sex space because of your personal drive to meet your own needs regardless of other people's, and have no access to alternatives.

The writer is 'terrified' (is in fact defensively trying to shame and warn women from doing) that women will notice they have a male body, will be uncomfortable, and at most may question why they are there or complain to staff about their own discomfort. They have an extremely privileged view of 'terror'. Women have a hell of a lot more to fear than that, but to the writer they're props. Not people. Certainly not people worthy of consideration.

As ever, it's a case of women's discomfort being irrelevant to men and therefore irrelevant to how the world is ordered.

Women, slap a smile on your face and shut the fuck up. Oh, and while you're at it, tidy yourselves up a bit.

They have an extremely privileged view of 'terror'. Women have a hell of a lot more to fear than that, but to the writer they're props. Not people. Certainly not people worthy of consideration.

That is so true. Entitlement.

"With Trans Day of Visibility this weekend, it’s more important than ever that the stories of trans people are heard."

Yes!
Every story we hear confirms how delusional the trans ideology is.

Well, surely the solution is for Owl to make common cause with women in campaigning for a third space, gender neutral changing room where Owl can get changed in comfort and safety. I'd get behind that. Then Owl could go to mixed swimming sessions just like I can.

My mum loved swimming. She was really good too, and a brilliant diver (she'd done it competitively in her youth). But in later years she put on a lot of weight - clinically obese lot of weight. She was too embarrassed by her body to go swimming, which meant she missed out on an activity which she loved and which would have been really good for her health.

Where's the day of visibility for her body issues? Where's the day supporting women like her to go into a scary hostile environment?

As a reminder, here is an extract from the letter written by lawyers very recently [and the author of that article needs to take note, perhaps]:

"We write as lawyers who wish to raise concerns about the TIE open letter which claimed that male to female transgender people already have rights in law to access women’s spaces and services. This statement is incorrect. The Gender Recognition Act 2004 provides trans people with the right to be recognised in law as the gender they have transitioned to when, and only when, an application to change legal sex is approved by a Gender Recognition Panel following a formal application supported by medical and other evidence and a statutory declaration. It does not create a general right for any person, at any stage of transition, to be treated as a member of the gender they are seeking to transition to.

The Equality Act 2010 provides trans people with the important and necessary protection from discrimination on the basis of gender re-assignment. This is not the same as a general right of access to single sex spaces and services in all circumstances. It is established in case law that the comparator for a transgender person claiming discrimination in relation to gender re-assignment is not the sex which they are seeking transition to but that which they are seeking transition from. There are a number of exemptions for single sex spaces and services, for example sports (section 195) and communal accommodation, such as youth hostels or other shared sleeping and sanitary accommodation (Schedule 23 paragraph 3), which can be invoked for biological women only. These exemptions are equally important and necessary, for many different reasons, such as enabling women to compete safely in contact sports or to use shared sleeping accommodation where otherwise they might be unable (for example due to their religious or cultural background or past trauma)."

forwomen.scot/30/03/2019/tie-letter-legal-response/

Oh fuck off Owl.

I can't remember the last time I visited a swimming pool that only had male and female changing rooms anyway. They're almost all unisex changing villages with a small male and female room off to one side.

I'm just really annoyed that Mothering Sunday is the chosen 'Transgender day of visibility '. It's been Mothering Sunday for 700 years. Pick another day.

Odd. I started a thread about this on Monday. I said that I (a natal woman) will no longer be using my local pool because I feel uncomfortable changing in mixed-sex facilities. Like Owl, I want to feel comfortable getting changed, and I currently don't.

I wonder if the Guardian would have given the same attention to my concerns?

Is it now compulsory to write an article about trans issues and link it to Section 28? It’s as if there’s a deliberate attempt to conflate women’s concerns and rights to something most people subconsciously associate with prejudice.

I'm just really annoyed that Mothering Sunday is the chosen 'Transgender day of visibility '. It's been Mothering Sunday for 700 years. Pick another day
Well, tbf, 31st March has been TDV for about ten years, only coincidence that they fall on the same day this year. Otoh, everything in that article is rage inducing but I’ve decided that I’m ignoring it for a day as my children are busy making this a lovely Mother’s Day for me. But the quote OP has chosen above does confirm my long held thoughts that there is a special trans dictionary that has had the word Irony removed.

I know very few women who will go swimming because of the immense pressure on women to be slim, blemish free, hair free, "perfect 10". Our bodies are massively policed. It's a factor in why so few girls enjoy sports, too. When are the guardian going to do a feature on that?

As ever, it's a case of women's discomfort being irrelevant to men and therefore irrelevant to how the world is ordered.

This is pretty much it.

This person is a narcissist.

Oh Judas! I feel so much better now! I thought it was a deliberate thing, that even MS was being shanghai'd

Not RTFT

Don't understand.

They don't want to go swimming because of things that are said on the internet, not anything to do with stuff that has happened to them?

Most pools have changing villages these days and have for decades. Just go to one of them. Job done.

I find the idea that women should not have single sex competition any more, because most people do exercise in a non competitive way to be ludicrous. Loads and loads of women and girls compete at all levels all over the country all the time.

Women get loads of abuse in real life. We pretty much all have experiences that make us cautious or wary in certain situations, and well aware that creepy / aggressive men can appear when you're least expecting it and do whatever. In addition, because of the risks from men, we are told that we should curtail our lives in a number of ways and if we don't and something happens it's our fault. We still do stuff.

"I'm just really annoyed that Mothering Sunday is the chosen 'Transgender day of visibility '"

Oh that's interesting.

Very interesting indeed.

Of course we know that children should be focussed on their "glitter family" . Also "mothering" usually refers to the woman who gave birth to you - equating woman and birth and mother is all very transphobic, mixing social roles (women, mother, are social roles that anyone can identify into) and birth which is icky biology nasty stuff and we've all agreed to call those people "womb-bearers" haven't we or gestators?

YY I know originally it's about the church but most people these days see it as about mums.

*I know very few women who will go swimming because of the immense pressure on women to be slim, blemish free, hair free, "perfect 10"
Really? I swim nearly every day, and there's usually way more women than men in the pool. Plenty of women in the gym as well.
Women go swimming as long as they feel safe in changing room and pool. Some do put make up on and do their hair with the dryer afterwards, but most people don't seem to bother. I don't, and the only pressure I feel to be slim is for health reasons.

fyi they've just opened comments on this article. Pre-moderated of course but still a surprise.

ah just realised from other thread that mothers day moves around the place so it wasn't deliberate.

I would like a single sex session so I don't have to contend with aggressive men in the lanes (public space is mens space after all and women get in the way)

They don't have any at ours

Loads of women go though and things like water aerobics are 100% women

'certain physical features of mine'.

Great euphemism.