More, poor me nonsense

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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/31/trans-day-of-visibility-swimming-pool?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

'The thought of stepping into such a highly gendered space where someone could potentially target me because of certain physical features of mine is terrifying.'

Well, that's rich!

And as the great philosopher Jagger once said 'you can't always get what you want'.

Look at the pic

Wearing a childs flotation aid
Which is pink with a unicorn on it
Studying nails

FFS

How many women go swimming with a pink childs flotation aid?

Does this person ID not as a woman but a girl???

Or are women childlike??? (Misogyny)

Happy Mothers Day everyone

The picture was truly ridiculous. Honestly grow the fuck up owl

so Owl has never been to a UK swimming pool but has written in article in the Guardian moaning about them?

No eye rolls big enough for the Woke Comments. Several 'oh gosh Ts are so meeeeeeeeeeeean'. (Bravo Guardian, hosting that particular slur.) And one that made me laugh out loud, saying they don't get why ts have a problem, TRAs are all about inclusion.

Except of course for women with disabilities, faiths, cultures, beliefs, sexual orientations, personal boundaries and opinions that involve saying no to men. Male supremacists in action.

I just don’t get why this person can’t swim. I’m hard pressed to think of a swimming pool near us without a family changing village type arrangement with male/famale changing at either end it would be easy enough to use a single cubicle

interesting which comments get the Guardian approced tick

" So it's good to see Owl writing here today and I hope that we get to see more of this, across all parts of the media"

I'm SO glad I stopped funding this tosh.

They never did reply when I wrote to explain why...

The Guardian is such BS

And yes, all the swimming pools in my town have mixed sex spaces with cubicles and lockers. Plus open showers by the pool, then small single-sex shower and change areas.

Admittedly, you can't use soap in the open showers, and in this v unwoke area I think an obvious bio male would be challenged if they tried to use the women's.

But it would be perfectly possible to swim and change discreetly. It's almost as if the aim is to use the women's space, not to actually swim...

comments closed

It sounds mad, but the Daily Mail would not publish this shite without a quote from the other side of the debate. They would also let all comments stand.

It's funny how things have turned out

I'm just really annoyed that Mothering Sunday is the chosen 'Transgender day of visibility '. It's been Mothering Sunday for 700 years. Pick another day
March 31st was chosen for TDV several years ago; Mothering Sunday (in the UK) is the last Sunday of Lent which is different every year. So it's just a coincidence this year.
But apart from that, I completely agree that Owl is complaining a bit too much - why can't they just find a swimming pool with private changing rooms?

magicmole - they've just closed the comments again, although I managed to get one in before that!

I’ve reported the TERF comments as hate speech.

The comments amply demonstrate that men don’t have a clue the level of harassment that women endure from males. Despite the fact that they’re the ones dishing it out.

"Comments on this piece are premoderated to ensure discussion remains on topics raised by the writer. "

do they honestly think anyone believes that?

To be a total pedant, Mothering Sunday isn’t the last Sunday in Lent, it’s always the fourth (out of six). Lent lasts until Easter Sunday. It’s true that from next Sunday (fifth in Lent) the season is sometimes called Passiontide, but this is a deepening of Lent not an ending to it.

It’s certainly the case, however, that 31 July being both Mothering Sunday and Transgender Day of Visibility this year is a coincidence. Like all dates to do with Lent and Easter, Mothering Sunday will be on a different day every year.

Yes, Pot - "mothering Sunday, curds and wey, Palm Sunday, Easter Day" - it counts back from Easter, rather than forward from Shrove Tuesday (not that that makes any difference ultimately: Shrove Tuesday + 40 days for Lent lands you up on Palm Sunday).

The issue they're not talking about wrt swimming has to do with the swimming costume. Unfortunately, for a male who wears clothing cut for female bodies, most swimming costumes cut for women have no room to accommodate male genitalia. There is no possible way for a male to wear, say, a bikini bottom, without the difference between sex and gender made acutely clear to all observers. In similar articles I've read, THIS is the greater dilemma for TW.

They of course could wear the costumes fashioned for the modest, with skirted bottoms with hemline just above the knees, but for some reason no one ever thinks of that unsexy alternative.

I have a feeling that comments were closed due to the majority of posts with an increasing number of 'likes' not suiting the Guardian agenda

Weird to imagine that life can be difficult for trans people as well as women, isn't it? Blows my mind trying to get my head around the idea that other people might deserve sympathy concurrently to any sympathy I might want to claim.

If owl is specifically identifying as an oppressed woman, maybe a burkini would fit the bill?

The Guardian really is a lost cause.

Maybe Owl is wearing a unicorn rubber ring to distract from the “certain physical features of mine”?

I'm beginning to wonder about the harm these articles do. It's obvious Owl hasn't had an actual, real life, bad experience in a male (or female, or mixed) changing room. However, they have become so sure of their complete vulnerability, that they haven't even tried.

If the media actually cared about the quality of life of trans people, they would give a greater platform to the people who continue to use the correct changing room without incident, or those who have found solutions (creating a web page of places with mixed changing, for example). Instead it just reinforces an unjustified level of fear.

It must be so hard being caught up in this, to have these body issues, and all the people who represent you are cowering behind their keyboards, telling you that the world is out to get you, that everybody hates you. I think this is a lot more damaging than women saying they'd rather share with trans men than trans women.

I spent some of my life with a colostomy bag. Initially I thought I would never swim again, how mortifying. I don't think being trans is the only body issue ever. All the support said, "try this costume, give it a go, if there's no private cubicle or it feels too much you can leave, but try and keep trying. Don't let this take anything from your life it doesn't have to, always give things a go as it's never as awful as you imagine."

Why is the support for trans people so encouraging of fear? Why are those who can't cope and can't do things leading the discourse? Imagine all depression was treated and represented by people who were in the midst of a crisis? It isn't, it's those who have learnt to cope, who have found ways through the worst of it.