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If Glinner is such an 'ally' why is he working only with white men?

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Plinytheprettier · 29/03/2019 12:51

I'm a GC feminist, but I do find all the fawning around Graham Linehan to be pathetic. He's barely given a peep about women's rights in the past, and suddenly he's jumped on the anti-TRA bandwagon, centering himself in what is and should a women-led movement (i.e. feminism).
The last straw for me is seeing fellow feminists fawn over this tweet - he posits himself as an ally, yet shows 0 interest in opening up the world of comedy beyond the thoughts of white men.

twitter.com/Glinner/status/1111351941374922752

A heterosexual man being critical of transgenderism =! feminism

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youllhavehadyourtea · 29/03/2019 19:55

But where else would Steph keep Steph's tea?

Ha! Brew

Blueblueyellow · 29/03/2019 20:01

JessicaWake no I understand you mean I could freely have an abortion freely in England but in case anyone misunderstands, it cost 2000 pounds and the asn.com helped me with the fee. And yes I remember sitting in the crammed room full of women going through the same thing but nothing to say to each other. Op, if you are still here, the scales fell off for most of us and we can't unsee it. If you are young, most of us were like you when younger and fighting for a cause. You just have to dig deep and you will see it for what it really is.

InionEile · 29/03/2019 20:06

Somebody needs to tell Richard Ayoade and Ash Atalla from IT Crowd that Graham Linehan is a racist who only works with white men.

Can't we appreciate the allies we have as gender critical feminists? This kind of intersectional infighting and bickering over who's more woke than everyone else is what has led mainstream feminism to disappear up its own irrelevant backside by tying itself in knots to be intersectional and inclusive.

Blueblueyellow · 29/03/2019 20:07

JessicaWake for you Flowers

JessicaWakefieldSVH · 29/03/2019 20:27

Blueblueyellow oh yes, sorry if there’s any confusion, I know I could get it for free and those having to travel here have extra costs. While I am grateful I could access it in a way you and other women can not, the whole process was utterly awful. I hate that you have to see 3 different people, waiting between each one without knowing for how long, and that the waiting room is so horrible. I’m older and I felt so sorry for the young women in there, they looked so embarrassed and afraid. The nurses I saw kept saying, stop shaking! Well I can’t, you haven’t let me eat and I have low cortisol along with a bunch of other shit!! We should be able to go to a hospital like anyone else, without having to walk past protestors, without waiting all flipping day and without a big sign on our forehead: I’m a bad girl im here for an abortion. Where’s the dignity?

Sorry to derail but Glinner has spoken out on issues that affect us, when other people won’t.

nettie434 · 29/03/2019 21:03

Thanks for that clarification blueblueyellow. JessicaWakefieldSvH explained that the comment about being anti choice was directed at Ben Shapiro (tho' why mention him on a Glinner thread?) I am so sorry you had the added burden of having to travel at such a difficult time for you. Flowers As you & Jessica point out, there are still countries in which women in are unable to have a termination.

Going back to the main thread, we can't insist that only people who share our every view are 'allies'. I admire Carowiththegoodhair on many levels but disagree with her views about abortion.

Personally, I think Glinner has endured huge amounts of abuse. He also regularly uses his big Twitter following to highlight writing by women and transwomen and supports them when they are abused. He is entitled to a bit of praise without snide comments about only working with white men. Making a plug for Pauline McLynn here!

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Datun · 29/03/2019 21:16

Yeah, I don't think the OP is going to come back.

I don't think they're interested in women's experiences. Funnily enough.

nettie434 · 29/03/2019 21:31

And belated flowers for you too Jessica. Started replying to blueblueyellow and then got diverted so replied not realising there were more posts on thread. Both of you have my admiration for being so open about the reality of your experiences

JessicaWakefieldSVH · 29/03/2019 22:01

Oh thank you Smile

BelleSausage · 29/03/2019 22:12

Sorry, haven’t RTFT completely (mostly because I got bored of the OP not being able to articulate a valid point).

However, has someone mentioned Graham’s support and campaigning for repeal the 8th? Or that Father Ted was to ridicule the dogma and structures of the the Catholic Church and the GL is very much anti-establishment and has been very vocal for years.

But because he doesn’t meet the OPs high bar none of us are allowed to praise him for putting his livelyhood and family saftey on the line? Bollocks to that.

ErrolTheDragon · 29/03/2019 22:34

Yes, those things have been mentioned, BelleSausage (love the name, btw)Smile.

Justhadathought · 29/03/2019 23:09

And I won’t stop criticising any man for any reason if they are perpetuating patriarchy. I’m glad he supports the protection of women only spaces, but it frustrates that he seems to get more attention then women who say the same as him

I hear what you are saying - but men aren't necessarily and always the enemy. It's not his fault that men's words are given greater authority than women's. Personally, I think Glinner ought to give Twitter a rest for a while. It is not doing him any favours. It must be exhausting.

Blueblueyellow · 30/03/2019 00:40

Personally, I think Glinner ought to give Twitter a rest for a while. It is not doing him any favours. It must be exhausting
If I were in any way educated, I would say, this is saying he should "drop hands".I think he is doing just fine, and if you were to think that way, you could say the same about, well, the rest of people who tweet on twitter about this issue ... Hmm

OccasionalKite · 30/03/2019 00:52

The not-a-proper-lawyer person had to withdraw because they had no leg to stand on!

Well done Glinner, stood up to that bully!

InionEile · 30/03/2019 01:40

One of the reasons that Glinner speaks up on trans issues is because he knows that women who speak out as gender critical feminists will face a deluge of abuse and hate on Twitter. He views his outspoken stance as a way to use his male privilege for good. So telling him to shut up because he’s a man just plays into the hands of people who want him silenced.

DioneTheDiabolist · 30/03/2019 02:00

Plinytheprettier, I've been out of the industry for 20 odd years now, but GrahamLinehan was working with BAME cast and crew back then with most senior production roles in female hands.Confused

Why do you think he only works with white men?ConfusedConfusedConfused

LucyBabs · 30/03/2019 04:55

I'm torn on the glinner thing tbh.
He's male, had always been male and so has grown up with male privilege. Yes he shouts loud and has had to pay legal fees. I kind of agree with the op we seem to be falling over ourselves because a man has spoken..

justicewomen · 30/03/2019 05:04

I don't know GrahamLinehan but saw him at the WPUK event in Norwich.

He sat at the back, listened to all the women, trans women. He spoke once in in the open section. In the best sense of the words, he was unremarkable and so does not deserve the criticism received.

Certainly on twitter he uses his platform for good to promote GC womens and allies voices; and it is more notable that he is the focus for the trans activists (they ignoring women saying similar things), but that is not his fault.

HorsewithnoBackstop · 30/03/2019 08:48

..we seem to be falling over ourselves because a man has spoken..

I don't see anybody here falling over anything.

What I do see is the celebration that someone (who personally has nothing to fear from self-id) putting his neck on the line to help other people. Yes he's a man and the 'other people' are women and girls. So what?

The big fat elephant in the room is that mr Linehan seems to be the ONLY man prepared to help in this way. Remember when Men like Sting and Bono et al we're all dead political, saving rainforests and that?Where are the famous (male) names on this subject? I trust men like Stewart Lee, but not a dicky bird on this subject...

So I'm not falling over anything, but I am saying (to glinner) thanks mate, we really could do with a few more like you.

AnotherLass · 30/03/2019 10:17

I do find Jen's character in the IT Crowd offensively sexist. The message seemed to me to be that people who have vaginas are fluff brained idiots who are only interested in shoes.

I was thus kinda surprised when Graham started his recent activism, and framed it around women's rights (rather than, for example, freedom of speech)

However, he has been an absolute rock. And I'm incredibly grateful to him for it

People are complex and contradictory. Nobody is perfect. A person who will stand up for truth when others won't gets a lot of respect from me

RuffleCrow · 30/03/2019 11:34

I think Jen was a gendered caricature amongst gendered caricatures. They were all deeply flawed one way or another.

ZuttZeVootEeeVro · 30/03/2019 11:35

I do find Jen's character in the IT Crowd offensively sexist. The message seemed to me to be that people who have vaginas are fluff brained idiots who are only interested in shoes.

I didn't see it that way. I saw her being landed with a role she had absolutely no interest in, with people she had nothing in common with.

She did try to make a go of it in the hope of getting a better job, but she soon realised that that wasn't going to happen. Shes playing the farther ted character, in part.

Justhadathought · 30/03/2019 15:10

If I were in any way educated, I would say, this is saying he should "drop hands".I think he is doing just fine, and if you were to think that way, you could say the same about, well, the rest of people who tweet on twitter about this issue ... hmm

I would say the same, yes. Twitter is just a series of echo chambers - which get more negative and polarised as time goes on. It is not conducive to mental health to have to be so engaged with all of this nastiness all of the time. Outside of the Twiitersphere, hardly anyone knows what is going on around the trans movement. This is where the efforts should largely be focused.

Twitter has one positive thing in its favour - and that is that the nasty exchanges have brought on board some prominent women - such as Martina, Sharron Davies etc. Its purpose has been served. But after that to carry on on engaging in twitter wars is not cool. If I was a person with a position of prominence or repute I think I'd keep off twitter altogether.

3timeslucky · 30/03/2019 15:33

He's barely given a peep about women's rights in the past

Any reason you've chosen to ignore his involvement in the Repeal the 8th campaign (to allow for the introduction of abortion services in Ireland)? It sure felt like he gave a peep about our rights!

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