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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Joani Walsh was at Accenture, says no trouble beforehand

35 replies

Yambabe · 24/03/2019 20:56

twitter.com/joaniwalshi/status/1109913794342457344

Thread there. Seems they may not have been asked to leave before the police were called after all.

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AstonishedFemalePersonator · 25/03/2019 07:50

What happened to Dr Long was appalling and inexcusable.

Fuck off, Accenture, with your woke "inclusive" bullshit. We see you for the bigots you are.

R0wantrees · 25/03/2019 08:05

As soon as I heard it was City Police I knew M. Edward Lord (non binary) would have a hand in there somewhere.

threads discussing Edward Lord's influence;

Re Freemasons:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3323475-Surprise-The-Masons-now-welcome-Transwomen-but-not-women
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3324416--Freemasons-to-admit-women-but-only-if-they-first-joined-as-men

Re City of London:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3317922-City-of-London-Corporation-consultation-is-out-this-covers-Hampstead-Ponds

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3380245-The-City-of-London-consultation-didn-t-go-quite-as-they-hoped

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3400894-city-of-london-corporation-gender-survey-results

also relevent threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3459026-Edward-Lord-asking-the-Sunday-Times-to-censor-Andrew-Gilligan

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3352843-First-there-was-Jess-Bradley-then-the-Challenors-now-Edward-Lord

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3316098-Childrens-Convenor-Elected-Councillor-calls-women-cunts-on-Twitter-rants

Edward Lord's partner Dr Meg-John Barker wrote the BACP Best Practice guide which is strongly based on Queer Theory.

discussed last year in MSM re Northern Women steeotype and currently under review by BACP following challenges:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3350668-The-British-Association-for-Counselling-and-Psychotherapy-have-come-up-with-Definition-of-woman

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3339137-BACP-Gender-Sexual-and-Relationship-Diversity-by-Dr-Meg-John-Barker

I'm not sure Edward Lord's considerable role & influence on ending single sex women & girls sport has been discussed much yet

ChattyLion · 25/03/2019 09:30

A breach of the peace really does not look like pizza-eating lesbians with tickets a ticketed ‘inclusive’ public discussion event, doubtless intending to ask some questions of the panellists. In the Q&A session at the end.

There is zero evidence of these women disrupting or trying to stop the event happening which could have breached the peace.

Un-Like those masked fuckers at the JamJar in Bristol in 2018 who were hemming women speakers in beforehand and threatening them.

I have no doubt that Julia Long and whoever came to the LGBT Accenture event to listen and to ask pertinent questions. #no debate is really not how gender critical women work.

If speakers can only speak to a preselected uncritical audience or otherwise THE POLICE ARE CALLED TO REMOVE THE AUDIENCE.. and/or organisers create or facilitate this.. they all need to consider if they really have right on their side and we should all be asking what the fuck they are so scared of being asked?

WeRiseUp · 25/03/2019 18:03

Absolutely chattylion

FermatsTheorem · 25/03/2019 18:14

A breach of the peace really does not look like pizza-eating lesbians with tickets a ticketed ‘inclusive’ public discussion event, doubtless intending to ask some questions of the panellists. In the Q&A session at the end.

Precisely.

I used to live in an extremely rough inner city area. Many's the night I've been woken up at 1, 2, 3am by a drug or alcohol fuelled fracas in the street outside, followed by the police showing up. I never ceased to be amazed at the sheer amount of restraint your average beat bobby put into dealing with situations like this - they'd spend 20 minutes, half an hour, more talking people down, and generally only loaded people into the van if they became violent.

But somehow Accenture can get 7 police officers to surround a lesbian quietly eating a pizza at a meeting for which she obtained a ticket...

If you're not already on the thread, I urge everyone to have a good look at the excellent thread underway on
Regulatory Capture.

Birdsfoottrefoil · 25/03/2019 18:30

You can ask people to leave but you cannot chose to ask people based on a protected characteristic.

R0wantrees · 25/03/2019 19:32

A breach of the peace really does not look like pizza-eating lesbians with tickets a ticketed ‘inclusive’ public discussion event, doubtless intending to ask some questions of the panellists. In the Q&A session at the end.

The Telegraph article has four relevent quotes which appear to have some significant disparities:

Commander Jane Gyford of the City of London Police said: “Police were called by security guards of a private property on Fenchurch Street at 18.26 on Thursday 21 March 2019. The security guards reported a group of four people who were causing antisocial behaviour and refusing to leave the property. Officers attended to assist the security guards and ensure there was no breach of the peace.”

It also has a quote from Accenture representative:

A spokesperson for Accenture said: “Our request was based on security concerns expressed to us by participants at last night’s events. Although an unfortunate situation, we made a polite request that several individuals leave the gathering. Upon their refusal, we sought assistance.”

The Police Officer quote (recorded in the YouTube footage):

One of the officers who attended Accenture’s offices told the women: “Our legal framework here is to prevent a breach of the peace and that’s what you guys are going to do. We’ve been told you’re being disruptive and you need to leave the premises or we will be forced to remove you.”

At the event, however, Ms Pradip [ Pride in Accenture diversity network ]told the women: “My panel does not feel comfortable with you here”.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/03/22/seven-police-officers-sent-remove-four-women-inclusive-talk/

What were the alleged security concerns?
What does 'causing anti-social behaviour' look like?

ChattyLion · 25/03/2019 20:20

Exactly. What were police told were happening/likely to happen that would mean they would turn up in such numbers to a public event.

EweSurname · 25/03/2019 23:26

Excellent joani thread:

mobile.twitter.com/joaniwalshi/status/1110261637301309449

Fairenuff · 26/03/2019 12:01

Does anyone know if Julia is going to make an official complaint about the Police action?

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