‘I have a handbag therefore I am a woman’

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I’m not sure what the rules are here on posting screenshots of tweets, but I have just read the most INFURIATING thread on twitter where a talks about a gold lame handbag and red lipstick and how it marks them out as so CLEARLY a woman and stops misgendering and dysphoria. Great for them.

But, despite a veneer of gender fluidity and breaking down of stereotypes, why oh why oh WHY are we stating that femininity = female?! It’s utterly bonkers! Am I, a cisgender heterosexual woman, not as much of a woman because I don’t wear red lipstick and carry a gold handbag?

I believe this is what they call ‘peak trans’? Count me on side - I can sit on the ‘oh but maybe we should just be kind’ fence no longer and should have trusted my gut from the beginning!

Sorry, first paragraph should read ‘where a trans woman’, not sure how that disappeared!

It gets even better — go to Feminist Current and search under this individual’s last name. You’ll discover an interesting tale of a male who proclaimed themselves a feminist ally, to the point of commanding a leadership voice in feminist media. And then women began to speak about their experiences with this person.....

It’s truly amazing how quickly a change of identity and wardrobe can rehabilitate.

I have a rucksack and am still a woman. Oh gosh. What am I up to? Lack of make up-check; flat shoes-check; short(ish) hair- check. Omg I must be a man!! But no, I wear dresses and enjoy crochet. Phew, I am a woman and reality has not been fibbing to me.

As soon as I read the title I was going to ask if it was gold lame!
The thread was originally posted a while back and despite the fact that the stereotyping is annoying, it was hilarious to read. Complete delusion.
If you find stereotyping infuriation, I don't understand why you would describe yourself as cisgender - that is reinforcing the existence of gender stereotypes.

I need to tell my dad to stop using his handbag so he doesn’t suffer the literal violence of being misgendered then

Don't describe yourself as "cis", it's a capitulation to the appropriation.

I do like the title of this thread. This bullshit all started with Descartes.

I have heard about the gold lame handbag before, who is it that said it?

It's fine to post twitter screenshots on here.

www.feministcurrent.com/2018/01/19/whats-current-exiled-male-feminist-charles-clymer-declares-woman/

My dad used to have a manbag in the 70s (from France where in was rather common). Someone should have warned mum.

Damn. I don't have a gold lamé handbag. Too garish for my taste. I have a Loungefly tote bag with Princess Leia on it, or a Kath Kidston flowery handbag, will that do? Am I less female for not having the gold one?

Yeah, c*sgender is a term bestowed on heterosexuals by "woke" TRAs because they think there is more than one sex. Bin it off as a label OP, you don't need it.

I have a briefcase on wheels! But I do wax my fanny? Where am I on the spectrum of gender?

Oh no it's ok! I checked my chromosomes I'm a female

No handbag unless I’m at work but I do have curved credit cards from keeping them in my jeans pockets - still a woman 😀
As others have said, cis is unnecessary.

I don't actually own a handbag. I had one at uni about 30 years ago but it got knocked from my room in halls. Only had rucksacks or briefcases (depending on work/home) or just pockets since then.
Oh dammit, must be a man

Gender is really interesting, my ex and I used to talk about it quite a bit, he sometimes wears make up, nail varnish, loves fashion and is gay, so some typically female traits, where as no one ever realises that I’m gay until i tell them, so two very different men apart from sexuality.

But we both discussed how we have no idea what makes us male, like, what makes us feel like men.

The only time I had it explained me and could relate was when a trans friend said when they looked in a mirror (even when they were young), they saw a guy looking back at them that they didn’t connect to, but when they see themselves now in a mirror they recognise that person as themself.

Identity is an odd thing, and it’s so different for everyone that it’s hard to rationalise.

I've got a carpet bag like Mary Poppins.

The dark red medicine in it turns tits saggy.

(I just posted that on the Julia Long thread by accident.)

What makes you male and what makes you feel like a man are different things. You're male because you belong to the reproductive class that produces sperm. What makes you feel like a man is something that is down to your personality, your upbringing, your socialisation, your culture and so on. If it's even something that you feel at all. I feel like a human being, who happens to be female, just like I happen to have brown eyes.

FFs SimonJT! Make up? Nail varnish? Fashion? Typically female traits? Do you live in the 1950’s?
Those are not “ female traits” those are fucking sexist gender stereotypes!
I’m a woman - and I wouldn’t be seen dead in make up or nail varnish, and have zero interest in fashion. Stop swallowing the trans crap about gender.

They are typical female norms, just as being a nurse isn’t a typical male norm. Just because they are things we don’t like, it doesn’t prevent them being true.

Gender is really interesting

If you're a bloke with nothing to lose.

he sometimes wears make up, nail varnish, loves fashion and is gay, so some typically female traits

Does he have a gold lame handbag for the cherry on the top of those female traits?

Identity is an odd thing, and it’s so different for everyone that it’s hard to rationalise.

And this is connected to being a woman... how?

I make a lot of garments and jumpers for the little girls in my life.

What do they want?

Pockets!

When do they want them?

Now.

They take after me.

Nonsense. Being female is rather more than liking nail varnish and make up give me strength why are we going backwards?

Yes, cut out that c** crap.

Men may not ‘feel like a man’, but they’ve no fucking idea what it’s like being a woman. The lack of respect shown towards women’s privacy, rights and boundaries proves that.

I carry a wallet as I prefer them to purses, I wear men’s tee shirts, because they’re more comfortable and I do all my own building and diy. I’m still a woman.

Gender is sexist stereotypes, which a previous poster has proven with his nonsense about his partner having ‘female traits’. I am of the female sex and absolutely no surgery, drugs or acting out sexist stereotypes can change that.

Because gender seems to be publicly viewed so differently for men and women, you don’t really see any public outcries about ‘feminine’ men, but you do see articles about women who don’t fit the norms of being female betraying their gender, then you also get the negative comments about women who are at the other scale and match all of their gender norms.

I remember when department stores were trying to force female employees to wear make up, so many people were writing awful things just because a woman didn’t want to follow a gender norm and wear make up at work. It’s as though any straying from the female norm is hugely attacked in the press as not being a real woman, you just don’t get that same level of negativity when a man doesn’t fit into a male gender norm.