The Telegraph: Column on the Journey to Womanhood ("60 year old dad")

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It's a Premium Article in the Telegraph's family section.

The children are gone, the career was spectacular and now David Thomas is going to tell Telegraph readers about the journey to womanhood - without having experienced all the milestones and rites of passage that female children go through.

It would be marvellous if the Telegraph could also locate a woman in her 60s, with an empty nest and contemplating retirement, and with the same compulsion.

It would be fascinating to compare their journeys. There must be loads and loads of women lining up to change their circumstances so radically, surely? Unless, of course, the phenomenon is a male thing?

For completeness, it would be great to have a column from the spouses of late transitioning, formally heterosexual, men and women.

www.telegraph.co.uk/family/life/decided-become-woman-60-year-old-dad/

This person is not a woman, will never be a woman and can frankly fuck off.

This person is not a woman, will never be a woman and can frankly fuck off

Absolutely.

MRA/TRA really are two cheeks of the same male arse.

And then there's the breakfast analogy, paving the way for the schoolboy humour sausage punchline at the end. I bet he was the toast of the playground when he was at Eton. Pun intended.

• For now, I will just leave you with the other reason why male transition is like a full English breakfast. By the time it’s finished, there’s nothing left of the sausage.

Nah, mate. There's no sex analagous to a full English. Men have the sausage (or not) but never eggs. Woman isn't cut down man.

Errol and SingingLily

Seriously it's beyond me how they are so careless of their sausages. Maybe it's a lifetime working in the NHS but I would never have an unnecessary op that would radically interfere with my urinary system for fear of complications like repeated UTIs or incontinence. Those surgeons must be great salesmen.

He's treating it like an episode of Grand Designs. I'm surprised he hasn't got Kevin McCloud on board asking about the budget and the architect drawings.

www.telegraph.co.uk/family/life/do-call-person-transitioning/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_em
Here he is again, slagging off Germaine Greer this time. Who do we take seriously I wonder, world renowned female academic or man who writes trashy novels and cross dresses.

Wow - he compares Germaine Greer to the BNP! I was just nodding along with some of his comments as he seemed to have a quite nuanced appreciation of self ID, understanding that 'the feeling in his head' doesn't make him a woman and he should currently be referred to as 'he'.

And then the ingrained misogyny appears. Funny how men who want to be women are always disinterested in women's history, our writers, our role models and legends. It's almost as if they only focus on one aspect of transitioning (won't mention the elephant in the room)

I think it will be interesting to read (although I don't subscribe to the telegraph so can't read it), but I agree that they could equally have asked a woman of 60 to write about their life or a big change in their life. I have written more books than he has (if he is this person - not heard of him until today en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Cain_(author) and am about his age or nearly and moving to the next stage of my life - children leaving home etc - I could just as easily be engaged by the Telegraph to write a column but instead they give a voice to a man - he seems still to want to known as and called a man and I don't think has fully transitioned under current English law.

*My mum's a subscriber and "sick to death of all these transgenders"

She's middle class Tory and believes there are two sexes and that people can't change their biological sex.*

Ditto. This tsunami of media coverage and the massive over-representation of trans characters in every single drama is massively peak transing the nation.

Even liberal friends and family have been bemusedly noting that a few years ago trans issues just weren’t a thing and now they are everywhere.

I don't subscribe to the telegraph so can't read it

I think if you register without subscribing you can read one 'premium' article per week.

I'm afraid this sort of piece is probably the 21st century descendent of the victorian 'bearded ladies', more than anything.

I can read one article a week but it won't be this one, even in the Telegraph there better choices.

How is the journey going? broken down in a layby and using pantyhose as a fan belt?

If you were in the queue for the ladies, and you saw David Thomas standing next to you, clearly a male, despite handbag, what would you do?
Seriously?
Would you say anything? If so, what? ‘I feel uncomfortable encountering a man in the women’s toilet, please can you go elsewhere so that I can use a single sex toilet’?
I’d like to say something, but the truth is I think I’d feel frightened. (Both of David Thomas, who is a big -oops! a big lady- and others.)
And, would it make a difference if you had your pre-teen daughter with you? Because you don’t want dicks in the toilet around young girls? (I think it would for me: that in those circumstances I’d have to say something, despite being afraid.)

Grrr. WHY do they all talk abut HRT? Hormone REPLACEMENT therapy is NOT the same as cross sex hormones.

I know it's just one of many misappropriations but it really gives me the pip.

’MRA and TRA are two cheeks of the same male arse’ - indeed

People like this are just taking the piss. Given their history of publishing misogynist books in the past, I wouldn’t be surprised to find out this is all just some hilarious bants to own the ‘feminazis’.

I have been thrilled and delighted by the Twitter responses to this column of self-delusion, he is peak-transing a lot of people in a masterly way! Using "masterly" deliberately, by the way...

If this is the same man, this reviewer isn't impressed with his lack of knowledge about women and feminism:
www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/book-review-now-who-started-it-she-did-not-guilty-in-defence-of-the-modern-man-by-david-thomas-1471605.html

How predictable.

The final step will be a Gender Recognition Certificate, the government document that confirms the full, legal status of one’s acquired gender. At that point, the words ‘I am a woman’ become a statement of fact.

No it doesn't. Woman is defined biologically, a legal fiction doesn't change facts.

I have questioned myself about the comparison to racists who only accept certain people as British. I suppose the main difference is that nationality is socially defined where sex isn't.

Is there anywhere we go to announce a name change? Another one who decided to delete my account as my obsolete email was potentially identifying. Btw Fanny Cann is a great character in a forgotten Edwardian novel, ahead of her time in the fight against the patriarchy.

Anyway...

I have been thrilled and delighted by the Twitter responses to this column of self-delusion, he is peak-transing a lot of people in a masterly way! Using "masterly" deliberately, by the way...

Maybe someone at the Telegraph doesn't like him and wanted to give him the chance to make a total fool of himself?

Slight derail but I can't see Nicholas Witchell without remembering Prince Charles saying what an awful man he is. And he seems so bitter and miserable. Pretty sure someone at the BBC keeps him in that post on purpose.

'I want to be standing in the queue for the ladies, thinking I never used to have to do this,'

Won't that be exciting for him? Imagine - a man queuing and liking it! He might even do the shopping and be happy to queue for it too - because blokes don't like to queue (and apparently we do??!!!)

Oh dear. With so many loos becoming gender neutral/unisex he might be too late to have the fun of joining the ladies queue.

Twat.