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The Telegraph: Column on the Journey to Womanhood ("60 year old dad")

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theOtherPamAyres · 23/03/2019 14:59

It's a Premium Article in the Telegraph's family section.

The children are gone, the career was spectacular and now David Thomas is going to tell Telegraph readers about the journey to womanhood - without having experienced all the milestones and rites of passage that female children go through.

It would be marvellous if the Telegraph could also locate a woman in her 60s, with an empty nest and contemplating retirement, and with the same compulsion.

It would be fascinating to compare their journeys. There must be loads and loads of women lining up to change their circumstances so radically, surely? Unless, of course, the phenomenon is a male thing?

For completeness, it would be great to have a column from the spouses of late transitioning, formally heterosexual, men and women.

www.telegraph.co.uk/family/life/decided-become-woman-60-year-old-dad/

The Telegraph: Column on the Journey to Womanhood ("60 year old dad")
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NottonightJosepheen · 30/03/2019 13:00

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FermatsTheorem · 30/03/2019 13:02

He's not a woman yet, but is apparently going to become a woman at some future point after sufficient surgery.

Channeling one of the joke birthday cards DS got, I'm going to become a unicorn, as soon as I can work out a way of using sufficient gaffer tape to fix a sink plunger to my head without pulling my hair out.

Ereshkigal · 30/03/2019 13:10

This bit however is perhaps more astute than he may realise:
'I was denounced as this terrible woman hater,’ he remembers with a laugh. ‘Such a woman hater that I want to be one!’

Indeed. I hope it was a tinkly laugh.

Purplehammer · 30/03/2019 13:14

Pretentious fucking twat.

OldCrone · 30/03/2019 13:30

Author David Thomas still lives as a man, but has begun the male-to-female gender transition that will eventually result in becoming a woman. In a new weekly column for Telegraph magazine called The Wrong Trousers, he will be chronicling his progress along the way

I assume the Telegraph is trying to peak trans the nation. Or do they really think a man can 'become a woman' with the help of sufficient surgery and wishful thinking?

SophoclesTheFox · 30/03/2019 15:12

Dammit, I signed up to get one free article a week, which I wanted to use on this column, but it’s not reset for this week yet. Come on, come on! Grin

I am keen to know at which exact point the xy chromosomes flip to xx. This is groundbreaking science.

ThePurportedDoctoress · 30/03/2019 15:58

I am keen to know at which exact point the xy chromosomes flip to xx. This is groundbreaking science.

Thing is, this story would be fascinating if he was embarking on a cross-dressing journey to explore what it means to be a handbag carrying man. But no, he has to claim womanhood. Because he doesn't have the balls to be a handbag carrying man. Pfft.

theOtherPamAyres · 30/03/2019 22:16

He cashed in part of his pension and sold his house in order to transition.

David, you don't need to say another thing.

I know how this turns out for you, your ex-wife and your children because I read the Transwidow threads. I know that your version is going to be dishonest but I'll continue to read it just to spot the distortions and spin.

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theOtherPamAyres · 31/03/2019 00:08

And here's the reaction to the article from Twitter

twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1111968879012659200

Spoiler: Twitter strongly objects to the Telegraph saying that David Thomas' transition will result in him "becoming a woman". No words are minced.

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OccasionalKite · 31/03/2019 00:16

A man cannot become a woman. In any shape or form. No matter how much money a man will pay in pursuit of this fantasy, it's just not possible.

ChattyLion · 31/03/2019 02:00

I feel really sorry for the kids and exes of anyone who rewrites themselves so fundamentally.

AGP to my mind goes hand in hand with misogyny. It seems totally consistent that men can wholeheartedly look down on women yet at the same time objectify women to the extent that these men are sexually aroused by the ‘humiliation’ of ‘being a woman’.

About which (actually being a woman) these men will never know anything genuine: because the objectifying and vilification of actual women precludes getting to know any women in any real sense as people (rather than as sex objects)...

nor do misogynists tend to have enough empathy to be interested in what real women’s lives are like. Hence the stereotypes and trivia always being presented as somehow the defining feminine essence.. the whole thing revolves around stereotypes and othering.

Ereshkigal · 31/03/2019 08:12

nor do misogynists tend to have enough empathy to be interested in what real women’s lives are like. Hence the stereotypes and trivia always being presented as somehow the defining feminine essence.. the whole thing revolves around stereotypes and othering.

Indeed.

Rubidium · 31/03/2019 12:04

And here's the reaction to the article from Twitter
twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1111968879012659200

This is hilarious:
"My gender slips through my fingers. It eddies back and forth. It freezes. It cracks. Sometimes it evaporates completely. Very rarely is it still and clear."

Jesus...

groundcontroltomontydon · 31/03/2019 18:14

Interesting link to a review of his book in one of those posts

littlbrowndog · 31/03/2019 18:52

All the comments agree he will never be a woman

That is true

NottonightJosepheen · 07/04/2019 10:02

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 07/04/2019 10:13

First paragraph

Four of my absolutely favourite activities are shopping, singing, cooking and interior decorating. I know… I know… whoever would have guessed that I wasn’t a completely normal guy?

But no, it's nothing to do with gender stereotypes at all ...

littlbrowndog · 07/04/2019 10:31

He must be trolling. Nobody could be so idiotic

cattycattycat · 07/04/2019 11:01

The whole thing reads like it's a bit of a joke. Absolutely ridiculous, and has got nothing to do with the lives of women at all.

terryleather · 07/04/2019 11:16

A bit late to the party here but is this the same David Thomas who wrote ^Not Guilty: The Case In Defence Of Men" in the early '90s?

I've not read the book but I remember him and his mra ilk at the time.

Just popped over to Amazon to see what the reviews were like and my interest has been piqued by someone mentioning this..

"there's a quite interesting chapter on images of masculinity in the media (John Wayne to Clint Eastwood to WWF), in which Thomas even works in some very interesting ideas on the real meaning cross-dressing "

In the light of his late onset ladeefeelz I'd be interested to know his thoughts too, has anyone read the book?

terryleather · 07/04/2019 11:18

Wrt to my above post, I'm presuming I can use his as the book is by a male identifying as a man/male at that time...?

ErrolTheDragon · 07/04/2019 11:27

Four of my absolutely favourite activities are shopping, singing, cooking and interior decorating. I know… I know… whoever would have guessed that I wasn’t a completely normal guy?

Confused sure, there's no reason to suppose from that list of activities which can be equally enjoyed by either sex that he's not a completely normal guy, what's his point?

ErrolTheDragon · 07/04/2019 11:39

The Telegraph is using 'he' in the intro, terryleather.

So I approached the process of making myself more fabulous the same way I’d start on a refurb

Seriously?Hmm

Now, I’m trying to get my various physical, psychological, vocal, sartorial and aesthetic transformations coordinated so that I can, at some point in the not too distant future, present myself to the world in a convincing and socially acceptable simulacrum of womanhood.

'Simulacrum of womanhood' is about right, I guess. I'm not sure what psychological transformations he envisaged (at his age, being able to deal with being invisible etc?) - most of that is externalities, nothing (how could there be?) about lived experience.