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The Telegraph: Column on the Journey to Womanhood ("60 year old dad")

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theOtherPamAyres · 23/03/2019 14:59

It's a Premium Article in the Telegraph's family section.

The children are gone, the career was spectacular and now David Thomas is going to tell Telegraph readers about the journey to womanhood - without having experienced all the milestones and rites of passage that female children go through.

It would be marvellous if the Telegraph could also locate a woman in her 60s, with an empty nest and contemplating retirement, and with the same compulsion.

It would be fascinating to compare their journeys. There must be loads and loads of women lining up to change their circumstances so radically, surely? Unless, of course, the phenomenon is a male thing?

For completeness, it would be great to have a column from the spouses of late transitioning, formally heterosexual, men and women.

www.telegraph.co.uk/family/life/decided-become-woman-60-year-old-dad/

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MindTheMinotaur · 23/03/2019 17:06

I thought we were over suggesting brain differences as the root of oppression or at least there's not much tolerance nowadays for racist theories around 'African' and 'European' brains. Lady brain on the other hand....

BixBeiderbecke · 23/03/2019 17:16

FFS. I was quite pleased with the Telegraph yesterday - they had two pieces on trans: one article about Miranda and a comment piece by Judith Woods. But now this.

BesmirchingMotherhood · 23/03/2019 17:31

it appears to be linked tohormonal issues in the womb.

Or
It’s their mums’ fault.

Of course it is. Those pesky women.

Mumfun · 23/03/2019 17:36

Its always f*ing handbags toilets and makeup.

So right BickersinBrattke and GrumpyGran

Its never the real identification with female reality. I am fed up to the back teeth with it!

The Telepgraph really needs a transwidows series. Would probably elicit a lot more interest from readers than these self obsessed narcissists!

theOtherPamAyres · 23/03/2019 17:45

The front cover. "I. AM.NOT.A WOMAN.......YET".

I think you'll agree that a nice cardie, cashmere scarf over the adam's apple, and jingly bracelets are a good start on the road to being a fully fledged woman.

The Telegraph are having a laugh, I think. The final nail .........

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SauvignonBlanche · 23/03/2019 17:45

I’m sure their forthcoming column ’The Wrong Trousers’ will be a big hit with Telegraph readers. Hmm

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truthisarevolutionaryact · 23/03/2019 17:48

It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. Generally the more light shed by the narcissistic self absorbed into their motivations and thoughts, the more cynical people get. I don't expect Katie Yeomans (trying to sue Southern Rail for 'misgendering' them), expected the tidal wave of derision and cynicism that their actions triggered. It's also worth remembering that below the line in the Telegraph can be truly awful. Much actual transphobia can be seen there alongside sexism and homophobia. It's a nasty place.

Scatobrain · 23/03/2019 17:56

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AdaColeman · 23/03/2019 18:02

Not A Woman.... Ever would have been a better title!
And if only those baggy old cords hadn't highlighted his wedding tackle quite so much...

But it's got me thinking that if I'd bought the right handbag perhaps I could have been more me.

thatwouldbeanecumenicalmatter · 23/03/2019 18:04

I second that a transwidow series would be a much needed viewpoint that should be given publicity.

TimeLady · 23/03/2019 18:05

Giving an AGP a platform? Bring it on, I say. I don't think he realises he's probably being played.

Amoregentlemanlikemanner · 23/03/2019 18:22

Rofl
No. It’s always about using the ladies loo — as a GOAL. As if using a toilet is THE height of female life instead of, simply, a necessary part of being human women tend to so that we can do all the things that actually create meaning in human life. The ladies loo is a kind of Everest that must be scaled.

Or, I suppose, a foreign land in which one’s flag must be planted so that the land can be claimed.

Without that element of attainment, wouldn’t we all find pathos rather than celebration, in the fact that a person’s life-goal had reduced to using a toilet?

VickyEadie · 23/03/2019 18:27

Woman = toilet queues and handbags, eh?

What a fucking time to be alive.

BadPennyNoBiscuit · 23/03/2019 18:28

I got female hormones in the womb, thats probably one of the ways I always knew I was a woman, and so did not father 3 kids.

BreakWindandFire · 23/03/2019 18:46

I genuinely don't think this is real. David Thomas was a notorious anti-female journalist while editor of Punch and even wrote bloody books on the subject of how awful women were. If you wanted a commentator on how dreadful these silly wimmin were you either went to him or Neil Lyndon.

They are going to admit this was an April Fool's joke in a couple of weeks' time aren't they?

hipsterfun · 23/03/2019 18:47

I don't think he realises he's probably being played.

Almost feel sorry for him.

Unless he’s another stealth feminist on manoeuvres, like Doughty Dan Muscato, in which case he has my gratitude Grin

ThePurportedDoctoress · 23/03/2019 18:47

I look forward to David's (and Telegraph readers') realisation that he is a lesbian.
That will go down well I'm sure.

ThePurportedDoctoress · 23/03/2019 18:50

They are going to admit this was an April Fool's joke in a couple of weeks' time aren't they?

That would be excellent, but I'll just point out that being "anti-female" hasn't stopped other men from becoming obsessed about handbags and frilly knickers.

DonaldTwain · 23/03/2019 18:52

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jellyfrizz · 23/03/2019 19:03

"The NHS guidelines say that no one is sure of the exact cause of dysphoria, but it appears to be linked to hormonal issues in the womb. The hormones working on your brain don’t give the correct dosage, so your body is physiologically one sex, but your “brain sex” is the other. You’re born differently wired."

Shouldn't all non-same-sex twins be affected by this then?

On a related note, I read an interesting article the other day about how sharing a womb with a male sibling negatively affects females: www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/sharing-the-womb-with-a-brother-affects-girls--study-65613

PurpleCrowbar · 23/03/2019 19:05

I suspect that the Telegraph is playing him like a Stradivarius, to be fair.

jellyfrizz · 23/03/2019 19:06

This is a better article on the twin thing: www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/article/male-twin-might-change-the-trajectory-of-a-womans-life/

SpartacusAutisticusAHF · 23/03/2019 20:12

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CaptainMarvelBunting · 23/03/2019 20:37

Yes, as we women wait in the queue for the lav, we just don't realize how lucky we are to have been doing it all our lives, taking our privileges for granted.

Fucksake.

FermatsTheorem · 23/03/2019 21:32

David Thomas was a notorious anti-female journalist while editor of Punch and even wrote bloody books on the subject of how awful women were. If you wanted a commentator on how dreadful these silly wimmin were you either went to him or Neil Lyndon.

This, times a hundred. (Seems to be a feature of AGP - womanhood = barbie-like parody of femininity, which means the person with AGP simultaneously yearns to be their idea of a woman, but hates actual women for not conforming to this parody of being a woman.)

Still I suppose I can borrow a leaf from a certain book and wish that this person "goes well."

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