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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Edinburgh leaflets are a possible hate crime.

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Gingerkittykat · 20/03/2019 18:25

pinksaltire.com/2019/03/20/anti-trans-leaflets-found-at-edinburgh-council-hq/?fbclid=IwAR0EsAokuZ8CXJjqUZJYXM4Bavgqc2TAdQO3g5TMUSdjBvBrwhaTODrEh1Q

Leaflets opposing the GRA are being reported to the police as a hate crime.

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MrsFogi · 20/03/2019 22:37

Shows why #StickerWoman needs to keep on sticking in every part of the UK.
I will continue to help her every time I leave my house with my handbag that just happens to have 100s of FPFW leaflets ready to stick up at every bus stop, train, noticeboard etc etc
I live in hope of finding someone else's stickers on "my patch"....

abuseofpowercomesasnosurprise · 20/03/2019 23:06

A summary of the video by the throatpuncher:

  • Decided they wanted to be a woman after feeling jealous of women who posted sexy selfies on instagram and because they always felt they weren't very masculine and had female friends. Also watched transformers on social media.
  • According to them one of the hardest things about being a woman is doing make-up and removing hair, which they say gives them 'gender dysphoria'.
  • Claims that they lost a lot of friends when they transitioned (not because they have violent tendencies, then?)
  • Complains that transgirls are fetishized (whilst fetishizing themselves by posing in skimpy underwear all over their social media account) Hmm
  • Seems to see transitioning as a solution to all their mental health problems.

I'd feel bad for them if they weren't a violent misogynist.

zen1 · 21/03/2019 01:09

Oh right, so Rose’s comment was “tongue-in-cheek”. That makes it okay then Hmm

Orwellianmince · 21/03/2019 01:13

Brilliant -thanks to The Times for reporting this. I think the Police need to look at the connections with people in positions of power (Council Leader, Union above) who are not diffusing this situation with their tweets misrepresenting leaflets produced by a group of women who are simply wanting to discuss upholding the law.

TurboTeddy · 21/03/2019 05:30

I think this is the first time I've seen any mainstream media coverage of the the violent threats made against GC feminists or anyone questioning the right to self ID. Articles that have reported incidents of violence and intimidation at women's meeting have tended to be written in such a way that they avoided portraying TRA's as unprovoked aggressors. This article at least makes that clear.

SonicVersusGynaephobia · 21/03/2019 08:13

Good job, Times.

Comments on the article are being pre-moderated.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 21/03/2019 08:59

I can’t see the Times commments.

Ereshkigal · 21/03/2019 09:31

The man who said he wanted to blow the airport sky high was also making a "tongue in cheek" comment.

Ereshkigal · 21/03/2019 09:32

I can't see them either Fekko.

abuseofpowercomesasnosurprise · 21/03/2019 10:08

I think this person makes a good case study. From what they have said, they suffer from mental health problems, were unhappy with masculine roles and envious of the attention instagram models got, so decided to 'transition' so they could get attention themselves. Their 'transition' at present appears to consist of sticking chicken fillets down their top, wearing skimpy underwear and a fuckton of make-up, and intimidating women in the toilets. They seem drunk on their newfound identity which gives them the attention they were previously lacking, and the 'throat-punch' comments are just an extension of their new 'sassy' persona, which they thought would make them immune from prosecution for inciting violence against women, as they are on the 'right side of history'. I can't condone the threats, but the bigger issue is that this person doesn't appear to have access to the mental health care they clearly need, and instead is being affirmed by society as a whole in an identity they have taken on for attention, which is not doing them any favours nor anyone around them. It's no different to other people I can remember in school who latched onto a subculture as a way to define their whole identity when they were still young and trying to figure out who they are. Their haplessness would be laughable if it didn't set women's rights back a century.

TheCraicDealer · 21/03/2019 10:20

This comment is under the post about the trans prisoners- I don't know what "facts" mean it's acceptable to incite violence against a group of women with whom you don't happen to agree, and then accuse a national newspaper of bullying when they dare to report precisely what you said. Nice to see they've still got their flying monkeys on hand though.

Edinburgh leaflets are a possible hate crime.
abuseofpowercomesasnosurprise · 21/03/2019 10:35

"I've watched Peyton stuggle with mental health for years before she finally found herself..." This is the tragic thing about all this, people with mental health issues putting all their hopes in transition as a solution. I presume theirs is a self-diagnosis of gender dysphoria from the way they've spoken about it. There are lots of people self-diagnosing with this or that because they feel it gives them an answer to all their problems if they have that label, makes their condition more manageable if they have that focus, but then don't do the analysis necessary to really unpack their trauma and get to the bottom of it. That kind of talking therapy is really painful to go through, who wouldn't rather just reinvent themselves and run away to join their new glitter family instead? People like this are being failed and getting themselves into a worse mess than they were before, all the while with dopey right-on types cheering on their self-harm as 'brave and stunning'. It's sick.

nauticant · 21/03/2019 10:39

Archived: archive.fo/51FHV

Very sensible to include the archived version with the link. This needs to be standard practice on MN.

UtterlyUnimaginativeUsername · 21/03/2019 10:53

Peyton struggled for years with Peyton's mental health before finally finding Peyton's self. Peyton has transisioned, and is now taking time out to work on Peyton's mental health. So transitioning didn't fix it?

Daughterofmabel · 21/03/2019 10:53

I will continue to help her every time I leave my house with my handbag that just happens to have 100s of FPFW leaflets ready to stick up at every bus stop, train, noticeboard etc etc
I live in hope of finding someone else's stickers on my patch
^^
This

RedDogsBeg · 21/03/2019 10:57

Threatening violence against women who disagree with you is justified because of struggles with mental health??

I am surprised but warily pleased that Police Scotland have become involved, I doubt it will go anywhere as the excuses and poor me victim hood are already being spouted but maybe, just maybe it is a step in the right direction. For far too long TRAs have been able to threaten and intimidate women without any consequences.

FamilyOfAliens · 21/03/2019 11:13

@morningtoncrescent62

Have you got a link for that tweet from Unison? I’ve been a member for 15 years and I think I might have to have a word with my rep.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 21/03/2019 11:41

From ‘a friend’ I've watched Peyton stuggle with mental health for years

A real friend would have taken them to one side and protected them from them self. Not cheerlead them on how brave, stunning and wonderful they are and egg them on. A real friend will call out a friend if they are behaving like an idiot. Not make excuses.

morningtoncrescent62 · 21/03/2019 12:06

@FamilyOfAliens it's not a tweet - it's the quotation from the Pink Saltire article in the OP's link.

Michael Richardson, a local UNISON Equalities Officer, also commented on the leaflets:

“These sort of incidents, where anti-trans material is distributed to staff, damage the true feminist movement and endanger trans and other gender non-confirming individuals, which is completely unacceptable.”

“Organisations and employers, especially the likes of City of Edinburgh Council with more than 18,000 employees, need to make it clear that they abhor this kind of behaviour by taking robust action to protect staff. I welcome the commitment from the Council on tackling this type of behaviour and hope incidents like this are never repeated.”

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 21/03/2019 12:16

So they will go after trans who have an anti woman and/or anti feminist agenda? I doubt it somehow.

FamilyOfAliens · 21/03/2019 12:22

Thanks, mornington.

Loving that I read “Pink Satire” at first glance Grin

theOtherPamAyres · 21/03/2019 12:52

Is it my imagination or is the media starting to scrutinise trans activism more closely?

It's a scandal that councillors are so ignorant about the subject but very quick to side with TRAs - only to get egg on their faces.

These are the same councillors approving mixed sex toilets in schools, 'gender identity' as a protected characteristic and mixed sex changing rooms in their leisure centres.

They have the power to eradicate women's rights and have already used them - either out of sheer ignorance or something more sinister.

ToeToToe · 21/03/2019 14:29

I didn't have to listen to more than 3 mins of Peyton's angst video before I thought "yup - AGP". I'll just adjust my titties Hmm Envy

Orwellianmince · 21/03/2019 14:37

This is classic abusive behaviour-for years men have claimed they have mental health issues to distract from what they have done to women & shift the focus on their needs.
I watched that video where they say an older woman (so probably took a lot of courage) said they shouldn't be in the Women's Toilet because they were a man and they replied "I'm a girl".
A threat by a male bodied person is never interpreted as "tongue in cheek" by any women I know. But then minimising what they did/do is also Textbook.

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