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5 Transgender Women Who Have Fought Their Prisons From Behind Bars

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PrincessPlummy · 20/03/2019 15:57

www.them.us/story/transgender-women-prison-legal-victories

'Incarcerated trans people can fight to create legal precedents that help the whole transgender community. Here are five who fought for important legal victories.'

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PrincessPlummy · 21/03/2019 13:36

Rowan that is appalling.
What surprises me is that I have been following this debate to some degree - clearly not as closely as I should have, but mostly skimming through the BBC and Guardian articles. I have always thought that you need to have the operation in order to change your legal sex and am genuinely flummoxed to find this out. Why is the media not reporting this? They make clear that when they talking about 'trans women' they are not referring to transsexuals, but ordinary men wearing dresses (who may have a weird fetish as well???)

I think this is even more pertinent because the debate often seems to be framed around 'transphobia' - but this would be discrimination against genuine transsexuals not transvestites? I think all the terminology and jargon makes everything 1000 times more confusing, so most people will have no idea!

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Datun · 21/03/2019 13:37

I think all the terminology and jargon makes everything 1000 times more confusing, so most people will have no idea!

Yup.

Ereshkigal · 21/03/2019 13:42

I think this is even more pertinent because the debate often seems to be framed around 'transphobia' - but this would be discrimination against genuine transsexuals not transvestites

That's why you get ridiculous situations like Helen Islan, a non trans mother of a trans child, taking transsexual Miranda Yardley to court alleging "transphobic" hate crime and the courts and police merrily going along with it.

Ereshkigal · 21/03/2019 13:43

Except the judge, thankfully!

AstonishedFemalePersonator · 21/03/2019 13:43

the courts and police merrily going along with it

The courts didn't - the case was thrown out. The police, on the other hand...

AstonishedFemalePersonator · 21/03/2019 13:43

Cross-post!

Ereshkigal · 21/03/2019 13:44

I meant the CPS when I said courts

Ereshkigal · 21/03/2019 13:44

YY Grin

AstonishedFemalePersonator · 21/03/2019 13:46

Ah. Fair enough!

R0wantrees · 21/03/2019 13:49

What surprises me is that I have been following this debate to some degree - clearly not as closely as I should have, but mostly skimming through the BBC and Guardian articles. I have always thought that you need to have the operation in order to change your legal sex and am genuinely flummoxed to find this out. Why is the media not reporting this?

The BBC & Guardian have demonstrated considerable bias in their reportings. Many people who follow these two news sources are unaware how biased they have been in this area.
There was a great thread last year (which I wish I could find but haven't been able to) when someone's sister made exactly this point that she believed everything her sister who was aware was telling her but could not get past the fact that BBC & Guardian were not reporting.

Many women (including me) have reluctantly cancelled support for the Guardian and follow journalists such as Julie Bindel (various news sources) James Kirkup (Spectator), Janice Turner & Andrew Gillingham (Times), Sanchez Manning (Mail on Sunday), Glosswitch (New Statesman) as well as Sarah Ditum (Guardian) etc as they are reporting the issues based on evidence based research.

James Kirkup is really worth having a look at on The Spectator website. He has been writing really well researched articles about the impact on political process, women's rights and safeguarding for a while now. (worth a Google or use advanced search here on FWR as his articles are usually discussed)

Some quite shocking examples of BBC bias here:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3296433-BBC-Bias-Collecting-Examples-here

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PrincessPlummy · 21/03/2019 14:03

Yep - it may not sound pretty, but I genuinely think it should be reported as 'men with penises wearing women's clothes' as opposed to 'trans women' otherwise people won't really understand what they mean

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Ereshkigal · 21/03/2019 14:09

I regularly rant to my mum (in her early 60s) about these issues and have for 3 years or so. Ive been to lots of meetings which I've talked about. I've made it perfectly clear that very few have so called "sex change surgery". She reads the Mail. So she gets lots of articles pop up on her phone. So she's familiar with many of the issues, although she thinks it's more of a "London thing" and that's why my concerns for women and girls are largely groundless, because "people won't put up with it anywhere else". Thanks Mum!

However it has literally only just sunk in, as she said to me earlier this year, as if I didn't know (!) apparently most of them keep their penises! Whatever next! ConfusedGrin

R0wantrees · 21/03/2019 14:43

PrincessPlummy if you do nothing else, its really worth listening to this recent podcast. Its likely much will become clearer:

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'Podcast: Madeleine Kearns interviews Sheila Jeffreys

Sheila Jeffreys, an English radical feminist and author, has spent more than forty years fighting for women and girls’ sex-based rights. In 2014 she wrote a book Gender Hurts which controversially rejects the politics of transgenderism. Last week she was in New York with the Women’s Human Rights Campaign helping to launch the Declaration on Women’s Sex-Based rights. Here is a quote from an interview she gave with National Review:

"If you look at WPATH [World Psychological Association of Transgender Health] for instance, which is putting out a lot of the ideas and theories about transgenderism, purporting to be a medical organization, you need to look at who the funders are. And of course, it’s drug companies. It’s all the major drug companies. All the major names you’d expect to be there. Because the situation with children is that it’s very, very profitable for drug companies. If the children come in at quite young ages then the drug companies are able to delay puberty with drugs like Lupron… it’s off label. It is not approved for these purposes."

Jeffreys’s insights on transgender politics are fascinating, especially on medical harms for children. Listen here:

www.nationalreview.com/corner/sheila-jeffreys-radical-feminist-debunks-transgenderism/?fbclid=IwAR3UszPkBG-uV3TLe8PM8u_7ZF1ZNXN4X3TLTJdTWz6KitlOGzjsDlPGLJg

And you can sign the declaration on women's sex based rights here:

www.womensdeclaration.com

It's really worth listening and covers a lot of material in the time.

Sheila demonstrates her particularly wonderful way with words when describing changes in classifications of sexual deviancy/paraphilias"

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www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3538472-Podcast-Madeleine-Kearns-interviews-Sheila-Jeffreys

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