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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

New thread from Joan McAlpine MSP

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WinnieHug · 13/03/2019 21:47

Joan McAlpine has produced another lengthy thread, this time explaining the thinking behind her question to the Justice Secretary in the Scottish Parliament today

twitter.com/JoanMcAlpine/status/1105945831205687296

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 13/03/2019 21:51

I think Joan has joined Mumsnet Grin

Katvonfelttipeyebrows · 13/03/2019 21:55

She seems to have a courage lacking in her peers.

They will go for her, but she speaks nothing but the truth.

Iggypoppie · 13/03/2019 21:55

I'm so impressed with her. Sterling stuff.

EcclesThePeacock · 13/03/2019 21:58

Truly excellent. Thanks

WinnieHug · 13/03/2019 22:08

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine - I wish! But maybe one day I can be chair of the Joan McAlpine fan club!

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Illyria47 · 13/03/2019 22:16

I applaud Joan McAlpine. I will certainly be asking the same question of our Justice Minister and indeed the Minister of Statistics.

Orwellianmince · 13/03/2019 22:23

Just to let you know there is an earlier thread about this Smile: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3532109-Joan-McAlpine-MSP-now-asks-about-how-Police-record-transgender-criminals?messages=100&pg=1

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 14/03/2019 08:14

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine - I wish!

Sorry, I didnt mean you Blush I meant that some of the questions she asks looks like she reads threads here ...

Katvonfelttipeyebrows · 14/03/2019 08:21

Bloody hell! There's no pile on.

Do we think the call to HQ hasn't gone out?
Or do they realise they can't defend the indefensible?

Cloven · 14/03/2019 08:37

Or do they realise they can't defend the indefensible?

I also noticed a curious lack of TRA response to all the 4thWaveNow threads about... ugh you know the threads. The child abuse ones.

It's a shame in a way that they won't publically defend the horrific shit they advocate for any more. I hope they aren't learning to be PR savvy at this stage in the game.

Katvonfelttipeyebrows · 14/03/2019 09:11

I'm hoping they aren't learning to be PR savvy

Please God no!

I'm wondering if the absence of some of their more uninhibited cheer leaders (haddock and mimmmmmmy) has damped down the loony.

I'm sure we can always rely on the US "I'm special cos I've got blue hair" rent a mob. But will they understand the big words?

Interesting times.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 14/03/2019 09:16

Joan McAlpine is so brave for taking this on, she is showing true integrity

Trousering · 14/03/2019 09:25

It's interesting that the MoJ makes the usual propaganda statement about there being no evidence of anything.

EcclesThePeacock · 14/03/2019 09:31

It's interesting that the MoJ makes the usual propaganda statement about there being no evidence of anything.

Allow data to be rendered meaningless and then say there's no evidence ...HmmHmm

ChattyLion · 14/03/2019 09:33

She’s fantastic

R0wantrees · 14/03/2019 12:09

threadreader collation of MSP Joan McAlpine's twitter comments:

"THREAD Following my justice question today, I am grateful that @ HumzaYousaf has offered to meet criminologists concerned that crime is recorded according to the "self identified" gender of the perpetrator.
twitter.com/UpIander/status/1105843659587637249

These criminologists would include the academic consultancy Murray Blackburn Mackenzie who produced this recent paper on the subject, sent to the @ NACWGScot

twitter.com/lnmackenzie1/status/1105864545787092992

This is a UK wide issue - @ metpoliceuk began recording crime according to self declared gender in 2009. However "gender identity" has no status in law, unlike sex, a protected characteristic in the Equality Act 2010 - see here

twitter.com/HairyLeggdHarpy/status/1105876457434296323

The English Crown Prosecution Service @ hmcpsi operate same policy designed along with a number of trans lobby groups, many of whom are well funded from the public purse

twitter.com/Docstockk/status/1105873759012048897

This matters as most crimes of violence & nearly all sex offences are committed by natal males. That's not to say most males are violent or perverts. My male friends, colleagues, relatives are lovely. But male violence is statistically undeniable

Similarly, criminologists are not saying male to female trans people are more likely to offend. We don't have enough data on that. But this study found "transwomen" retained male pattern offending after transition. here

Long-Term Follow-Up of Transsexual Persons Undergoing Sex Reassignment Surgery: Cohort Study in Sweden
Context The treatment for transsexualism is sex reassignment, including hormonal treatment and surgery aimed at making the person's body as congruent with the opposite sex as possible. There is a dea…
journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885

The Swedish survey concerned people who had surgery.. UK courts and police don't require that - they just accept people are the sex they claim, even if the offender looks like this

JAILED: Sex offender targets youngsters for a THIRD time
A DANGEROUS sex offender is back behind bars after she abused a youngster for the third time.
www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/16953087.jailed-sex-offender-jacinta-brooks-targets-youngsters-for-a-third-time/

These cases are happening - just recently a male born offender who attacked two little girls in a toilet in Fife, was recorded as female and put in a female hostel!"

www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/fife/832849/warning-as-transgender-sex-offender-placed-in-womens-hostel/

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1105945831205687296.html

AnyOldPrion · 14/03/2019 12:19

”Official statistics show that 1,007 men were convicted for sexual crimes from 2017 to 2018, compared with 46 women.”

From the Times. Wonder how many of the 46 “women” were women....

Needmoresleep · 14/03/2019 12:29

A very good article. Amazing that they felt no need to get a quote from trans activists groups. Just quotes from officials bodies, and women voicing their concerns.

A year back and this would not have seemed possible.

hackmum · 14/03/2019 12:35

Immensely brave of Joan McAlpine to stand up for what's right. Let's hope other politicians follow when they see that the public is overwhelmingly behind what McAlpine says.

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