Pronouns - an invasion of privacy?

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I read on here a few days ago about one of the members at a meeting where everyone had to go around and declare their pronouns, despite the group consisting of 90% women. Isn't it a rather rude invasion of privacy ask this of people? A bit like asking someone they've just met to declare their sexual preferences, or their social class background, or their ethnicity, or perhaps more pertinently their mental health status? I object not least because it forces self-definition through gender ideology's own language, to suggests that women using default pronouns conform to and are happy with oppressive gender stereotypes, but because it's not anyone's business . Why should it matter to anyone else if I like wearing high heels and make-up or doing DIY, or even - shock horror - both?! It's bad enough when they ask for 'gender identity' on job application forms, but at least they're private. Isn't this violating some sort of code of conduct - in the workplace, for example? Isn't the point of equality and diversity policies to make issues like 'gender identity' irrelevant?

Surely if people are announcing pronouns it'd be a good idea to keep a list of them in the meeting then refer to it if needed:
"I think Bob made a good point, he said ... blah, blah,... And I think his reasoning is good."

This is yet another way the transcult reinforces its ideology. Pronoun circles make young people announce and therefore cement their identities.

Exactly. It’s a massive invasion of privacy to expect everyone to declare this, and a woke irrelevance to do so most of the time.
it’s forcing everyone to meet a bar of self-redefinition which a few people are trying to establish because it benefits them. Particularly pernicious to present this as a normal requirement to kids and young people.

It’s exactly like requiring everyone else to use ‘cis’ about themselves. Fuck that. Politeness and kindness are optional and I will be putting them second, if undermining women’s rights is the cost of that instance of being polite and kind. I will make exceptions if I want to to that rule as my personal prerogative and use others pronoun preferences but only if I want to. If I don’t want to, I’ll use their name politely and I’ll talk about ‘they’ instead of he or she so that HR can’t complain. But I won’t call anyone male-bodied ‘she’ unless I actively want to.

I will resist massively if my work made it part of work to state my own pronouns. It’s not for the state or my workplace to make me be polite and kind and play along with others pronoun preferences by compelling my own speech and how I describe myself.

UndersAndOvers

the pronoun ritual is akin to forcing everyone to swear oaths of allegiance or participate in catechism.

Exactly thank you for expressing that so neatly. It’s a way of exposing non believers. While knowing that in some environments it’s not safe to be open as a non-believer. Divide and rule.

Horsewithno:
At least a generation of people will know the meaning of the word pronoun

There's that

Hahahaha laughed so loud I scared the cat

We were asked to put our preferred pronouns on our work email signature. As far as I can see about two thirds of my colleagues (including me) have ignored this request.

At my work we were invited to wear badges with pronouns on them. I didn't see a single person wear one.

I left the Brownies aged about 8 after a few sessions because they kept making me swear the oath to God and I didn't like it, or lying (it was in a church and quite formal and they wouldn't just gloss over it).

No one is going to have any more luck with the 40 year old me!

I'd just say "I don't believe in gender ideology" and fuck em.

It grates on me that this whole pronoun-declaration thing solidifies the faith that transgenderism is somehow just another trait that any of us could have, no different from, say, musical talent or being an introvert or good at maths just another interesting characteristic that could befall anyone. It seems almost encouraging hey, it's quite cool to be transgender, ever wondered if you are?'

When in fact it's an extremely serious --- hmmm, the word I want to use will get this post deleted so I won't use it.

But considering the consequences of being transgender, the difficulties and expenses and medical risks that might come your way, the huge distraction and complications it would cause to your life, the mental health issues you are courting, surely it's preferable to just feel at home and happy in the body you were given at birth.

I agree that it is really sinister. Anyone that wants to be differentiated from the obvious can say so.

Sometimes I have to declare that I have invisible health condition if it is relevant, but I wouldn't expect everyone else to announce their health status just to make me feel better or less singled out.

I think my reply would have to be "I, me, my, mine".

If anyone queried it, my reply would be "Those are the only pronouns I can lay claim to. All the other pronouns describe how other people perceive me, and I have no claim on other people's perceptions."

I would demand a bigger badge, because my pronouns are inflected, and decline according to the nominative, accusative, genetive, dative, prepositional and instrumental cases.

Surely "my pronouns" (the ones I use) are I / me.

Am I allowed to go old school and have Thee, Thy and Thine?

Am I allowed to go old school and have Thee, Thy and Thine?

Verily thou art.

Surely "my pronouns" (the ones I use) are I / me.

Yes, and if you're referring to me in my presence they're 'you, we' etc, and if you're talking about me when I'm not present why the heck should I care?

i The European Court of Human Rights has found that a person cannot be forced to demonstrate views or behaviour associated with a particular religion.

I would argue that a pronoun circle is behavior associated witha particular religion. It's a ritual of the transcult, definitely a huge act of faith accepting this nonsense and nobody should be forced into it

www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/human-rights-act/article-9-freedom-thought-belief-and-religion

Good point Zanahoria

I wonder if my absence of belief in gender ideology counts as ‘a belief’ for human rights purposes- like in atheism?

I think we should have a right to believe in science

In most circumstances a pronoun circle will serve no practical purposes whasover, its only function is to force everyone in the room to make a statement that they concur with transgender ideology. It is a clear infringement of human rights.

essentially it is an insistence that everyone says 'uncle' or in this case 'transaunt'

My preferred pronouns are it / it *

I see no reason anyone daft enough to believe this shit shouldn't be made to feel rude and uncomfortable.

• I have never been asked and am not entirely sure I could keep a straight face if I were.

Iggy some languages don't have pronouns at all and some have them but they don't refer to sex.
Even if a language has them like in English it's easy to make a mistake in a second language. So you might say Elle by accident for a man in French if you aren't that fluent.

My ass would hope that if my ass is ever asked, my ass will have the nerve to answer “your ass/her ass/her ass.” My ass finds that whenever possible, humor is the best way to deal with soul-crunching BS.

My ass really does appreciate the other points made by y’alls’ asses, tho.

Well, thanks to LinkedIn I am now privy to the information that our super woke HR person definitely knows she's a woman. She's literally appended her pronouns to her job title. Think ...

Wokerina McWoke
HR Officer She/Her/Hers

Creates some interesting challenges, doesn't it? Does that mean this is not the same job as "HR Officer Xie/Xim/Xirs"? How can I advertise one of these on a job platform without breaching equality legislation?