McKinnon targeting Kelly Holmes

[Sexnotgender]

McKinnon is going after Kelly Holmes now and has tweeted @iamspecialized who Kelly has a sponsorship deal with

It was an open secret that the WRAC in particular was full of lesbians, but the uofficial policy was that you were ok if you were 'discreet'.

About 60 people a year were kicked out of the military for 'conduct unbecoming,' but when the Blair govt got in they lowered the age of consent for men to 18 in 1999 (wanted to make it 16 but were defeated in the Lords, didn't finally become equal until 2003.)

Anyways, the new mood of tolerance saw a lot of men and women in the army stick their heads above the parapet, and they were duly mown down. From 60 the figure shot up to 300 in 1999, with the redcaps using a document that advised them how to spot one, e.g, the record collection.

Faced with an immient lifting of the ban, a survey was circulated and serving troops were 'encouraged' to say they'd be scared for their family jewels and would definitely shoot their bunkmate if they suspected anything, etc.

This was also the era of Deepcut, where drill sargeants were forcing female recruits into sex to avoid demerits etc, and half a dozen young squaddies shot themselves in the heads multiple times with an SLR in 'suicides.'

Have they uttered the immortal words yet ‘DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM???’.

My money is on Dame Kelly. Sharron is being excellent at no-billshittery too.

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Well they are showing us who they truly are aren’t they?

Eew that tweet is so gross. I am shocked. Women now can’t object to males giving us intimate exams? As long as their penis isn’t doing it? That is so disgusting and insensitive. I just can’t even... I need a cup of tea.

First stage is "I'm a woman too"

Next stage is "I'm a better woman than you"

Then it's onto "I'm a woman and you're not"

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Could you start a new thread with that pic so we can have a much bigger discussion on the right of women to decide if they are comfortable with Male doctors giving certain care etc and why we may not want it. This is enraging.

So would this person object to a man giving them a smear - oh that’s right - a prostate check?

Could they demand a Laydee to do it because they female? I can just see female proctologists lining up for that gig. Hands will not be warmed...

Then it's onto "I'm a woman and you're not"

We've already seen that at Pride with the Women & Cis-Women banners.

My goodness, that tweet. What a vile, vile individual McK is.

Definitely a case of "when someone shows you who they are, listen."

Martina was so right when she drew attention to just how nasty McK was.

Has a trans man ever competed with men in a sporting event?

I believe there is a boxer

Runner Chris Moisier is the only transman I've ever heard of who manages to compete at any sort of reasonably high level, Blissx.

And I think he manages to do so without being horrible to the other people he encounters in sport.

Et voila

www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/trans-man-wins-debut-pro-boxer-pat-manuel-771783/

I was on Twitter and saw RMcK advance an argument that banning trans women from competing in women's sport is the same as banning black sportspeople from competing because they often have natural advantages compared to white, Asian etc athletes e.g. the Kenyan runners. I mean, what!?!

That is an audacious argument to advance. Transpeople have never encountered even a tenth of the oppression and exclusion that black athletes have experienced, especially in the United States, where they were banned from participating in the main sports leagues until desegregation. Such an insulting line of argument.

Also, by that logic, there should be no sex segregation in sports at all and all athletes should compete together, just as athletes of all races compete together. I wonder why this isn't an option? Could it be boring old biological reality, maybe?

Wow.

Turns out, I can still be shocked by behaviour of a trans identified male.

Well done, Rachel. You have surpassed yourself.

On the plus side, it’s going to be hard to argue that a trans athlete deserves medical privacy, now that women are expected to welcome intimate examinations performed by males and objectors are told to shut the fuck up. So there is that.

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I agree.

Schuyler Bailar, Swimmer for Harvard:

alextransforming.wordpress.com/tag/transman-2/

The idea I could be forced to have an obvious male examine me, is quite terrifying. Or that my objection is viewed as phobic? This person has no clue what it means to be a woman, and has no concern for us or any intention of trying to even understand our lives. Why the hell should I then try and understand theirs?

So many transwomen activists seem to actively dislike women.

There’s also a male ballet dancer who is taking women’s roles - they story was doing the rounds a few weeks ago. I thought that they looked like an stringy over-muscled woman (think Iggy POP in a tutu).

I've met Dame Kelly and she is fucking awesome! Such a strong and powerful woman despite being incredibly petite and so inspiring. She spoke at length about her journey into athletics from the military and not one person I was with, wasn't blown away.

The work her foundation does to support grass roots athletics and encourage girls to become more involved is genuinely changing lives and I am not remotely surprised to see her voice her opinion (and for it to be what it is!)

Dame Kelly is a true champion!

Thanks all! It’s just seems all so crazy as to actually be believable. I don’t see how someone can benefit from all that testosterone during puberty, to get to 6ft etc. and then think that it is ok to then suddenly turn that off and not think they still have an advantage, I just don’t understand it!
Dame Kelly Holmes, Sharron Davies and Martina Navratilova are inspirational.

Where is Fatima Whitbread and Tessa Sanderson in all this? We used to ‘play’ at being them in our back garden olympics...