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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

A salute to Hadley Freeman

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NotBadConsidering · 06/03/2019 06:19

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/06/sport-trans-martina-navratilova

Some brilliant embedded links too, google images, Maria Miller etc.

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NotBadConsidering · 06/03/2019 08:38

Nice little GIF here Grin

mobile.twitter.com/JustSharonThen/status/1103202492089815041

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Floisme · 06/03/2019 08:40

Whether we agree with all of it or not, going against the general editorial stance of your own employer is a bloody brave thing to do (especially when you’ll shortly be going off on maternity leave). A lot of the other big GC journos (I’m thinking Turner, Kirkup) know their editors have got their backs. I doubt whether Hadders has that security.

I admire her hugely for putting herself on the line and I’m not going to carp if she pulls her punches. (They may even genuinely be her views - who knows?)

And I have to add - fair play to the Graun for printing it and risking the wrath of their woke US partners.

FermatsTheorem · 06/03/2019 08:41

I think for the most part that is an awesome article (I have loved Hadders for many, many years...) I agree that pinning the blame on Maria Miller is in one sense wrong (she didn't create the spat), but in one sense it does get to the nub of the problem - Miller as chair of a parliamentary select committee was the person with the power to take insane twitter rantings and turn them into government policy, and for that she thoroughly deserves to be excoriated.

Also loved the digs at Layla see-into-people's-souls Moran and relatively unknown cyclist McKinnon!

RepealTheGRA · 06/03/2019 08:41

There was a post on another thread that got me thinking. How much of this is being led from behind by the Civil Service advising politicians?

All of it?

Hornets · 06/03/2019 08:42

What a great article to wake up to. That and last night's Women's football result where the Lionesses' beat Japan 3-0!! (Apologies to any non England fans out there).

TanteRose · 06/03/2019 09:00

Hornets good game for the Lionesses, Nadeshiko Japan played well apparently (I'm in Japan so haven't seen the game yet)

CuriousaboutSamphire · 06/03/2019 09:04

Fuck! Did RM REALLY use a picture of Sharron Davis and ask if anyone would not know this was a transwoman?

Oh, that is absolutely priceless Grin

zanahoria · 06/03/2019 09:09

yes and posted this

"see, the thing is, for most trans women athletes, PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WE'RE TRANS UNLESS YOU TELL THEM (or in my case, they can Google it) "

mobile.twitter.com/rachelvmckinnon/status/1103054211187654656

sure, nobody would have a clue

CuriousaboutSamphire · 06/03/2019 09:14

Oh yes! The blindness of "I pass therefore I am"

Anyone can see D is a trained female athelete and RM is a trained male athlete. If SD cut her hair and wore a suit and tie, you'd still be able to tell the bloody difference! Look her up in her Gladiator days (without wincing, obviously)... strong, trained woman!

Floisme · 06/03/2019 09:17

With every passing day McKinnon sounds more like a parody account.

Threewheeler1 · 06/03/2019 09:23

Well done Hadley Flowers
I know they're not holding you against your will, but I always want to rescue you from that paper Grin

And McKinnon looks like a bloke in lycra. Even more blokey than the bloke who hangs around in his lycra bib-tights in this house. Funny that.

Lumene · 06/03/2019 09:23

Great article.

Some tricky truths captured:

Single-sex spaces (such as sport and prisons), which exist because of the significant physical differences between male and female bodies, would become single-gender ones. But if – as the transgender movement rightly argues – sex and gender are two separate things, why should single sex suddenly mean single gender?

Datun · 06/03/2019 09:24

The eyeball test, McKinnon???

A salute to Hadley Freeman
Amoregentlemanlikemanner · 06/03/2019 10:09

thanks Hadley you are the only reason we haven't cancelled the sub

RockyFlintstone · 06/03/2019 10:17

although this criticism came largely from a relatively unknown cyclist, Rachel McKinnon, with a history of incendiary remarks (such as that lesbians such as Navratilova should “get over their genital hang-ups” when it comes to choosing sexual partners).

LangCleg · 06/03/2019 10:22

The eyeball test, McKinnon???

Sharron was also a white supremacist earlier, according to McKinnon. Here's her ex-husband and his lovely father in a video that still makes me cry today.

NotBadConsidering · 06/03/2019 10:23

I always say I’m sick of the Guardian but I keep going back there for articles like this from Hadley, because I think she needs help bringing down the house of cards from the inside. Even with Hadley’s article, look what absolute garbage they’ve put next to it:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/06/testosterone-biological-sex-sports-bodies

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hipsterfun · 06/03/2019 10:24

Loving your work, Hadley Smile

PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WE'RE TRANS UNLESS YOU TELL THEM

Right you are, sweetie.

NotAnotherJaffaCake · 06/03/2019 10:25

Another member of the Hadley fan club. Fab article.

Mumfun · 06/03/2019 10:35

Good article

But that second article shows the US madness still dominates the Guardian In second article they say : Then tennis great Martina Navratilova asserted that trans women “biologically, are still men”, and shouldn’t be allowed to compete in women’s events.........Navratilova quickly backed away from these claims, but the damage was done

Lying shites she only backed away from saying all trans competitors were cheats -from nothing else!

Lemoncakestrudel · 06/03/2019 10:46

It was all going well for me when it minimised the need of single sex prisons because there were ‘concerns’. Nothing about women being attacked by the likes of Karen White.

nauticant · 06/03/2019 10:56

Although it's a pleasant surprise to read sensible stuff on this issue in The Guardian, it's a bit like having a salad that includes pieces of shit and being pleased to have a particular mouthful that's shit-free.

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