Tavistock’s Experimentation with Puberty Blockers: Scrutinizing the Evidence

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www.transgendertrend.com/tavistock-experiment-puberty-blockers/

"To summarize, GIDS launched a study to administer experimental drugs to children suffering from gender dysphoria. Between 2010 and 2014, puberty blockers were given to 50 children. This study yielded only one published scientific article on outcomes. It showed no evidence for the effectiveness of GnRHa: there was no statistically significant difference in psychosocial functioning between the group given blockers and the group given only psychological support. In addition, there is unpublished evidence that after a year on GnRHa children reported greater self-harm, and that girls experienced more behavioural and emotional problems and expressed greater dissatisfaction with their body—so puberty blockers exacerbated gender dysphoria. Yet the study has been used to justify rolling out this drug regime to several hundred children aged under 16. Almost five years after the last patient was enrolled in the experiment, there is no evidence to substantiate Carmichael’s claim ‘that the results thus far have been positive’."

For anyone who is keeping a personal archive, here is the BBC page now removed:

web.archive.org/web/20180816200816/www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/XZjhcLhQW08Ylw5b0p9xgH/gender-dysphoria-transgender

And here is what the page looks like now:

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/XZjhcLhQW08Ylw5b0p9xgH/gender-dysphoria-transgender

This is what we all need to send to our MPs with demands that they get a response from Matt Hancock (Health Secretary) and Damien Hinds (Education). These two men are presiding over government bodies that are enabling the grooming and unethical experimentation on our children.

The DfE tells schools to contact GIRES who undermine safeguarding by telling teachers to keep a child's secrets and Stonewall, who have on their trans advisory group someone who knowingly employed a paedophile / child rapist and has been found by an independent investigation not to understand safeguarding.

That's how reckless this government is when it comes to the safeguarding of children.

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20190306120738/tavistockandportman.nhs.uk/about-us/news/stories/gender-identity-development-service-conducts-new-research/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Saved the 2011 Tavistock announcement page, just in case.

GIRES is now "independent" but it started as the charity arm of Press for Change - you know, those old-school transsexuals that some people think are being thrown under the bus.
There's no point blaming shady AGP men at this stage. Undoubtedly they exist, but blaming them alone lets others off the hook.
Keep on taking screenshots and documenting changes, people.

Thanks, Doctoress, I wasn't aware of that connection.

The study has a robust system of outcome monitoring and informed consent and has received ethical approval by the national <a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20190306120738/www.hra.nhs.uk/about-the-hra/our-committees/res/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Research Ethics Servicee^

FOI?

Maybe asking why they approved a programme of giving drugs to children which interrupt their natural development and have side effects attached?

I feel utterly sick reading that.

I hope the press pick it up!

Ereshkigal I only found out recently myself, thanks to this thread www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3463920-Lets-go-back-to-2007

Details here <a class="break-all" href="https://www.webarchive.org.uk/wayback/archive/20061116120000/www.pfc.org.uk/pfclists/news-arc/2000q2/msg00084.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.webarchive.org.uk/wayback/archive/20061116120000/www.pfc.org.uk/pfclists/news-arc/2000q2/msg00084.htm

Bloody hell, shocking. But if this is now known, surely it opens the door to lawsuits from those given blockers who have had negative physical or psychological effects?

I’m just placemarking here because I need so time to process before commenting.

This is massive.

This is what we all need to send to our MPs with demands that they get a response from Matt Hancock (Health Secretary) and Damien Hinds (Education). These two men are presiding over government bodies that are enabling the grooming and unethical experimentation on our children.
Exactly this.
There will always be predators and people with questionable agenda.
This is about safeguarding.

You can archive pages with this (I only recently found out how!):

archive.org/web/

This is what we all need to send to our MPs with demands that they get a response from Matt Hancock (Health Secretary) and Damien Hinds (Education). These two men are presiding over government bodies that are enabling the grooming and unethical experimentation on our children.

Absolutely agree.

Just adding this as a contrast - we’re often told blockers have been used to treat precocious puberty harmlessly for ages - yet the resources actually on precocious puberty make it clear that it’s uncommon and only used in very extreme cases (like my childhood friend, who had significant growth impairment):

www.nhs.uk/conditions/early-or-delayed-puberty/

Significant investigations are taken place as to the cause of early puberty before treatment plans (if any) are made:

www.pathology.leedsth.nhs.uk/dnn_bilm/Paediatric/Childhoodadolescence/PrecociousPubertyinFemales.aspx

www.pathology.leedsth.nhs.uk/dnn_bilm/Paediatric/Childhoodadolescence/PrecociousPubertyinMales.aspx

Compare the large body of research/follow up studies available on precious puberty to the evidence compiled on children diagnosed with gender dysphoria: www.evidence.nhs.uk/search?q=Precocious%20puberty

No wonder Evans the governor walked - did he realise the wheels were coming off? He’d been involved with the Tavistock for a bloody long time to suddenly start raising objections now

Oops. Here’s the search for ‘adolescent gender dysphoria’

www.evidence.nhs.uk/search?q=Adolescent+gender+dysphoria

Hi all. We have made some deletions on the thread now (some of which were predicted in the posts, some not...) and we're hoping just to remind you that the reason we feel able to continue to host such an important discussion is because we have our guidelines and (we hope) a commitment from our users to oblige us in sticking to them.
As a parenting forum we truly understand the strength of feeling about this subject, but can we ask once again that before pressing 'post' you're just checking for generalisations and conflations, as doing so will vastly reduce the deletions that we are having to make.
Much obliged to you.

The Tavistock & Portman NHS Trust, of which Marcus Evans was a governor, does a lot more than just Gender Identity services for children and teenagers. It has a range of mental health services for people of all ages. If it's anything like being a school governor, Marcus Evans will not have had a detailed knowledge of what was going on in GIDS, and won't have seen that unpublished research data. None of them will. He clearly had concerns or he wouldn't have resigned. He probably hoped until recently that he could do something from within to change things but may now have realised it's all such a mess that he needs to distance himself from it and can do more good by going public. All very grim.

This thead discusses the horrific harm to children that is going on right now, Hope.

In silencing discussion of the harm, you actively perpetuate the harm.

Is this not the sort of thing Ben Goldacre should be all over? Or has he got selective blindness for what's going on?
Surely if you build your career on promoting rigorous testing, honesty of reporting and concern for public health being 'woke' can't override and undermine all that.....?

I presume that there were complaints in order for there to be deletions?

Why would someone want to close down this discussion? It’s sick.

It is quite amazing that a professor of Sociology has had to get involved in critiquing a massive failure of evidence-based medicine due to the silence of pretty much everyone in the medical field

No wonder Evans the governor walked - did he realise the wheels were coming off?

My thoughts while reading.

I'm shocked at deletions.

Reminds me of Rotherham.

I am thinking there need to be much stricter rules around the use of off-label medications as a bare minimum