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United Nations runs ad campaign saying it's discrimination not to have sex with transpeople

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QuietContraryMary · 02/03/2019 01:55

See here:
twitter.com/Journal_UN_ONU/status/968233238778073089 (in French)
twitter.com/ADS_Bund/status/969150422484123648 (in English, retweeted by the German Federal Anti-Discrimination Agency)
(and in other places too)

There are a whole bunch of other ads e.g., 'would you still want him on the Football team if he was gay' 'would you still support your son if he was gay' 'would you still eat his food if he had AIDS'

which all make sense, but for some reason a sexual relationship is only mandatory if a person identifies a trans.

In this case it's a photo of a man kissing a woman (with a strongly implied sexual context) however the exact same argument is the 'cotton ceiling' used by the vilest TRAs to say women should be obligated to have sex with them.

United Nations runs ad campaign saying it's discrimination not to have sex with transpeople
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AncientLights · 02/03/2019 09:53

Knicknack it wasn't Whittle, I'm fairly sure it's Prof Alex Sharpe of Keele? Uni.

This stuff infuriates me. Who we choose to have personal relationships with, esp intimate ones, is no business of the state or anyone else.

Vixxxy · 02/03/2019 09:56

Sexual preference is discriminatory by its very nature. Also adds like this are basically saying 'homosexuality' (or any sexuality really besides 'pan') is wrong and bigoted..which looks great alongside the other ads Hmm

BickerinBrattle · 02/03/2019 09:59

Yet another way in which genderism is rape culture writ large — no one but they are permitted boundaries.

sackrifice · 02/03/2019 10:00

Soon the backlash of 'straight men don't do dick' will be upon us.

It was only a matter of time: First they came for the lesbians etc etc.

Funkyfunkybeat12 · 02/03/2019 10:04

AncientLight, you’re right- it’s Alex Sharpe. Who now describes themselves as a lesbian in their twitter bio. Has only been trans for about 7 years and before that rose through the ranks to become a prof as a white, heterosexual male. Now the most oppressed of the oppressed apparently. But zero experience of actually building a career as a lesbian woman. It’s easier when all you need to do is ask HR to change your email and door-sign rather than fighting discrimination your whole life.

CheerioHunter · 02/03/2019 10:05

I've never know it happen other than on TV, so I'm not making it out to be a real life issue.
But in the past, when a guy meets a "woman" in a bar, they go home and get down to it, then discovers "she's" got a bigger cock swinging around down there than him and is sickened/outraged etc.

I just imagine these days, it would be that guy would be crucified for being a bigoted transphobe for running out when he discovered there were 2 more balls in the bed than he expected.

This world is so messed up. I shudder to think what's coming next.

Funkyfunkybeat12 · 02/03/2019 10:07

Cheerio- no, he probably wouldn’t. Straight men don’t get drawn into this really- mainly because so many TW are ‘lesbians’. If it was a lesbian on the other hand, she would be the most evil thing that ever lived unless she was delighted to see a penis.

CheerioHunter · 02/03/2019 10:12

Fair point Funky - And yeah, you're right!

Beamur · 02/03/2019 10:14

Bonkers.
Sexual intercourse, is driven fundamentally by reproduction. We are hard wired to 'know' potentially fertile and receptive partners. Same sex attraction, whilst the risk/opportunity for pregnancy is not there is nonetheless driven by innate preference. You don't need to learn who you are attracted to. Consensual sex between adults is purely up to them.
Anyone seeking a partner with which to procreate, is less likely to choose someone who is infertile. This is not discrimination, it is choice.

OldCrone · 02/03/2019 10:14

Thinking of the case that Kat linked to earlier in this thread, about the 'man with no penis'. If the wording on the poster was changed to 'Would you still love him if he were transgender?' it would make the transman the victim and the women he deceived horrendous bigots.

Is that really what they're trying to say?

OldCrone · 02/03/2019 10:21

I've heard of that happening in real life, Cheerio. There was a case in the USA (I think), where the man, on discovering the unexpected genitalia, killed the transwoman. Which of course feeds into the terrible murder stats for trans people.

RockyFlintstone · 02/03/2019 10:36

This is crazy you cant force people to be attracted to what they're not.

And once again, this is where tacking the T onto LGB falls right off a cliff.

The entire gay rights movement was about people having the right to have sex with who they want. To 'discriminate' against whoever they like when it comes to attraction (in that case, people of the opposite sex) and not be persecuted for it.

It's so illogical my head just can't take it!

thatdamnwoman · 02/03/2019 10:40

I've been discriminated against my entire life because I'm facially not very good looking and have been on-and-off overweight since childhood. I'm also a straight up and down shape that doesn't look very feminine. In my 20s and 30s I had bad skin. I know there are jobs I didn't get ('Oh, we see this very much as a front-of-house role and I'm afraid...' disapproving look up and down), I know there are salaries I never managed to achieve, I know there are people who wouldn't consider having a relationship with me because they didn't like the way I look. I know that at parties, on trains and planes, on holidays, in theatres and hotels and shops and cinemas people size me up and know what they think of me before I've had a chance to show them what good company I am. I can never pass as a lovely, feminine woman even though I'm woman through and through. Thankfully, as I get older, the discrimination against the way I look has turned into more general discrimination against my age...

Where's the campaign urging the world not to discriminate against me and all the millions of ordinary people like me, eh?

Datun · 02/03/2019 10:50

Sexual preference is discriminatory by its very nature. Also adds like this are basically saying 'homosexuality' (or any sexuality really besides 'pan') is wrong and bigoted..which looks great alongside the other ads hmm

Exactly. The disconnect is overwhelming.

If you abide by their demand to not discriminate against the transwoman, you're denying sexual orientation. Homosexual or heterosexual.

It's setting you up to fail whatever you do. And it knows it. But 'failing' at homosexuality doesn't matter, as long as transwomen are centred.

OldCrone · 02/03/2019 10:58

If you abide by their demand to not discriminate against the transwoman, you're denying sexual orientation. Homosexual or heterosexual.

Exactly. Having a sexual orientation is transphobic.

andyoldlabour · 02/03/2019 11:11

Your body, your mind, your choice and if anyone insists that you must deny all that, then just tell them to STFU.
So, to sum up: for one very minor group of people, 99.5% of the rest of us lose our ability to make a choice about life?

Melroses · 02/03/2019 11:13

Gay rights, sexual liberation in the 60s, sex outside of marriage etc was all about freeing people from the constraints that society put on them as to who they should have sex with.

This isn't.

Fairenuff · 02/03/2019 11:35

What they are really meaning to say is 'Would you still love her if you found out she was transgender' which is an entirely different thing.

That means that you already love the person but on discovering they are transgender you ditch them. That is the discrimination to which they are alluding.

But they can't say that because it implies deceit on the side of the transgender person for not being honest about their past. Finding out that the person you love has kept such a big secret from you might indeed change your opinion of them.

Knicknackpaddyflak · 02/03/2019 11:40

Finding out that the person you love has kept such a big secret from you might indeed change your opinion of them.

Likewise, while you may love your partner deeply, you may not choose to stay in a marriage with them if they transition, and that is fine too. It changes the basic terms of the contract you both entered into. However this also gets framed as 'phobic'.

OldCrone · 02/03/2019 11:49

What they are really meaning to say is 'Would you still love her if you found out she was transgender' which is an entirely different thing.

Yes. And they're also failing to distinguish between discrimination and consent. Refusing someone a place on the football team just because he's gay is discrimination. Refusing to have sex with someone because they're trans is about consent. You can refuse to have sex with anyone for any reason. In fact, that's the default. Otherwise we'd all be obliged to have sex with anyone who asked on the basis that not to do so was discriminatory.

MariaNovella · 02/03/2019 11:52

You can refuse to have sex with anyone for any reason. In fact, that's the default.

This.

Datun · 02/03/2019 12:10

The hypocrisy is not lost on those who frequent lesbian dating sites, either. Where transwomen will write 'no trans'.

Because sexual orientation is important, but only for certain people.

Lumene · 02/03/2019 12:19

What they are really meaning to say is 'Would you still love her if you found out she was transgender' which is an entirely different thing.

Or are they asking ‘Would you still love her if she turned out to be Male?’ Which is an entirely different thing.

Lumene · 02/03/2019 12:20

Or even whether if she transitioned to live as a man you would still love her?

OldCrone · 02/03/2019 12:29

Or even whether if she transitioned to live as a man you would still love her?

Or is the 'she' the one on the left who hasn't come out yet?

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