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Transactivists try to get Janice Turner suspended from Twitter

22 replies

PimmsnLemonade · 28/02/2019 00:27

...for sharing a link to her column defending Martina. They didn't succeed this time but she feels she has been 'warned'. I'm not sure that trying these tactics on journalists from national newspapers is their brightest move - and it's not exactly going to stop her column from being read, is it?:

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/icy-plunge-out-of-this-unnatural-heatwave-lkgv7qkxp

OP posts:
scotsheather · 28/02/2019 00:53

Oh FFS. Martina said what she thought, some agree with her. She has championed LGBT people in tennis and more widely. The pile on for an off the cuff remark is downright abhorrent.

R0wantrees · 28/02/2019 06:58

from the column:

Twitter target
On Saturday I tweeted, as usual, a link to my Times column, a defence of Martina Navratilova who believes it unfair for biologically male trans athletes to compete in women’s sports. On Monday an email arrived from Twitter. It had received complaints about this tweet, “investigated the reported content”, but decided “we have not taken any action at this time”.

Several things concern me. First that, following their success in having feminist Twitter accounts suspended merely for stating that biological sex exists, trans activists are now seeking to shut down debate in national newspapers. Second, the dangling threat implicit in “at this time”. If a complaint is nonsense, why even inform me, except to ensure I feel nervous of entering this controversial territory again; to urge me to self-censor.

Twitter’s adjudication of “hate speech” complaints is far from transparent. It is not even clear whether breaches are judged by a human or by an algorithm that may automatically suspend an account if it is targeted with a barrage of complaints. I certainly feel warned."

Miranda Yardley article, 'Why I Am Permanently Banned From Twitter And Why This Should Make You Worry'
POSTED ON 24TH MAY 2018
“During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.”

attributed to George Orwell

I have been permanently banned from Twitter. The reason for this ban is given as follows:

Violating our rules against hateful conduct.

You may not promote violence against, threaten or harass other people on the basis of race, ethnicity, national origin, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, religious affiliation, age, disability or serious disease.

(continues with details of the specific tweet which was mass reported and led to Miranda Yardley, a transsexual being banned from Twitter. These details also can't be included here due to likely reporting and risk of infringement of interpretation of current MN FWR guidelines)

"According to the rules of Twitter, it is now ‘hateful conduct’ to call someone who is a man, a man. The implication of this is that the concept of proscribed speech, things we are now not allowed to say, now extends to the truth. This is fundamentally illiberal.

“To tell the truth, to arrive together at the truth, is a communist and revolutionary act.”

Unsigned, written by Antonio Gramsci in collaboration with Palmiro Togliatti, L’Ordine Nuovo, 21 June 1919.

It’s interesting the rules about what is hateful appear not to extend to one glaringly obvious category – biological sex. And it is this that reveals the real agenda that lies behind this curtailment of freedom of speech and the ability to state the truth:

This is not about me. This is part of a much larger, broader attack on the rights of women.

If women are now no longer able to publicly acknowledge that an adult human male is a man, this takes away from women the ability to describe their own lived lives: they can no longer use meaningful language to describe their interactions with members of the dominant sex class:

Women lose the language and ability to differentiate between themselves and the dominant sex class;
Women lose the language and ability to describe themselves even as women;
Women lose the language, right and ability to describe the perpetrators and acts of sexual violence;
Women lose the right to challenge the sexual enslavement and exploitation of members of their own sex class.
We are in a world of proscribed truth and compelled thought. Whatever your political stance, this should should strike you cold with terror." (continues)

mirandayardley.com/en/i-permanently-banned-twitter-make-worry/

ADropofReality · 28/02/2019 07:16

Amazing how "the most oppressed group of people ever" are able to have anyone who disagrees with their ideology warned or banned from Twitter (amongst all the other things that can happen to GC people). Wielding such power is not the hallmark of oppressed people.

JellySlice · 28/02/2019 07:37

It slightly blows my mind that a man is no longer allowed to describe himself as a man, either.

Feminism is for females, but it benefits the whole of society.

picklemepopcorn · 28/02/2019 07:44

I'd say Janice Turner has the resources to fight this, as a journalist. Papers tend not to like being told what they can say.

ComputerSaysMo · 28/02/2019 07:57

Social media platforms are already under scrutiny - see also Cambridge Analytica, troll farms, harassment, etc. So far the TRAs have moved quickly and easily on Twitter because they have been autotagged “most marginalised,” but if they go after established newspapers for publishing journalism they are likely to find themselves being re-evaluated.

Let the sunshine in, I say.

DonaldTwain · 28/02/2019 08:02

Janice, if they ban you, come here. If you’re not here already....

adultFemaleElf · 28/02/2019 08:20

Janice should do some of her excellent investigative journalism on Twitter, and who really is pulling the strings....

Ereshkigal · 28/02/2019 08:25

She really should.

buzzbobbly · 28/02/2019 08:28

I'm surprised it's taken them this long, quite honestly.

TRAs are usually far more efficient at getting the jackboots in.

LizzieSiddal · 28/02/2019 08:33

Ha, so Twitter wants to take on The Times do they?

Let the games begin, I've got my popcorn!

SusieSusieSoo · 28/02/2019 08:47

Janice if you are on here please keep on doing what you're doing. You're amazing. It is frankly shocking that you need to be but here we are.

Courday · 28/02/2019 08:48

It's pathetic, I have become aware of accounts on twitter seemingly dedicated to directing hate and abuse to people speaking out on this issue.
Twitter has ignored all my reports about them. There must be extremist insiders there that are enabling this, women are routinely banned for innocuous tweets.
It's about time these tactics were exposed as the abusive and bullying that they are.

Just want is going on at Twitter?

R0wantrees · 28/02/2019 08:54

Recent thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3505926-Meghan-Murphy-files-legal-complaint-against-Twitter-following-her-suspension-for-pronoun-useage-re-JY

OP "Meghan Murphy files legal complaint against Twitter following her suspension for pronoun useage re JY
Feminist Current update:

"Meghan Murphy’s legal team has filed a complaint against Twitter, after they suspended her account for tweeting, “Yeah, it’s him,” in reference to a trans-identified male who took a number of female estheticians to human rights court after they declined to give him a Brazilian bikini wax. The case will be entirely funded through donations."
www.feministcurrent.com/2019/02/11/whats-current-meghan-murphy-files-legal-complaint-against-twitter-over-account-deletion/

Meghan Murphy had announced her intention to start this legal action when part of the 'Women Stand Up' protest outside Twitter's Washington offices.

m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2366769483443018&id=100003299679086&refsrc=http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FD8guU5XQ0R&_rdr

Meghan Murphy also gave a speech at the Washington 'We Need To Talk' event
'about Gender Identity and Social Media'

www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCrNfKQhZdo

threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3456835-We-NEED-to-speak-out-about-this-person

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3460252-Miranda-Yardley-calls-out-the-predator

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3490776-Women-Stand-Up-in-Washington-D-C

Popchyk · 28/02/2019 08:59

Martin Beckford of the Mail on Sunday linked to his article on Twitter. The article was about a mother being held in a police station for seven hours for the crime of referring to a biological male as a man.

That Tweet was reported to Twitter.

twitter.com/martinbeckford/status/1094917318709252097

He said it was the first time that he'd been reported in the ten years that he'd been on Twitter.

nettie434 · 28/02/2019 09:10

There was a great tweet that I should have bookmarked when Meghan Murphy was banned from someone contrasting the speed with which she was banned with his complaint to Twitter about a tweet from a jihadist gloating about a video of a beheading. I think people here have pointed out the links some TRAs appear to have to very senior people in Twitter.

DpWm · 28/02/2019 09:16

Reminded me to donate to Megan Murphy crowd funder again...

mooncuplanding · 28/02/2019 09:24

Sam Harris and Joe Rogan both recently interviewed the CEO of Twitter about their policies. Both mentioning Meghan Murphy.

The Twitter boss guy was very corporate about it and didn’t seem to know much about it. He was challenged enough by Rogan and Harris about it, and kept stating they are looking at all their policies, but as it stands I don’t think Twitter have caught up, they’ve no over riding strategy and it seems those who shout loudest get heard right now.
But suffice to say, they are being challenged and many (surprising) people are backing people like Megan Murphy, and Janice would be the same

R0wantrees · 28/02/2019 09:38

He said it was the first time that he'd been reported in the ten years that he'd been on Twitter.

recent MN FWR thread discussing the Mail on Sunday article by Martin Beckford was also subject to many reports.

OP TheCatsServant wrote*
"Sky News just featured story appearing in tomorrow's Sunday Mail

Apparently a woman spent 8 hours in a cell/being interviewed by the police for a "transphobic" Tweet along the lines of TWAW. Can't bring myself to buy the Mail tomorrow to check the details, but it may be taken up by other papers."

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3504035-Sky-News-just-featured-story-appearing-in-tomorrows-Sunday-Mail

MARTIN BECKFORD HOME AFFAIRS EDITOR FOR THE MAIL ON SUNDAY
10 February 2019

"Mother, 38, is arrested in front of her children and locked in a cell for seven HOURS after calling a transgender woman a man on Twitter
Police officers detained Kate Scottow, 38, at her home in Hitchin, Hertfordshire
More than two months after her arrest and she has had neither her mobile phone or laptop returned
The complaints made by activist Stephanie Hayden led to arrest of Mrs Scottow"
(extract)
A mother was arrested in front of her children and locked up for seven hours after referring to a transgender woman as a man online.

Three officers detained Kate Scottow at her home before quizzing her at a police station about an argument with an activist on Twitter over so-called 'deadnaming'.

The 38-year-old, from Hitchin, Hertfordshire, had her photograph, DNA and fingerprints taken and remains under investigation.

More than two months after her arrest on December 1, she has had neither her mobile phone or laptop returned, which she says is hampering her studies for a Masters in forensic psychology." (continues)

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6687123/Mother-arrested-children-calling-transgender-woman-man.html

relevent threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3381704-Stephanie-Hayden-takes-Graham-Linehan-to-court-for-doxxing

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3379279-Father-Ted-writer-says-TRA-is-a-dangerous-troll

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3450375-iNews-follows-Pink-News-with-article-headline-Father-Ted-writer-Graham-Linehan-compares-the-trans-movement-to-Nazism

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3418617-mumsnet-is-breaching-section-26-of-the-equality-act-2010-harassment-by-hosting-feminist-forums-that-discuss-gender-critical-issues-legal-case

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3340188-MN-is-a-Hate-group-apparently

Roll On Friday article background to litigant:
'EXCLUSIVE Transgender lawyer suing Graham Linehan was convicted of threatening a man with a golf club'
22 November 2018
(extract)
"The transgender lawyer who has accused Father Ted scribe Graham Linehan of transphobia and is suing him for harassment was once convicted of affray for threatening a man with a golf club, as well as for a number of other offences.

Stephanie Hayden, who is also suing Mumsnet and recently sued a transsexual solicitor, now identifies as a lawyer. But in 1999, when Hayden was a 28-year-old man known as Anthony Halliday, Halliday was charged with assault and affray. In court documents seen by RollOnFriday, the prosecutor in the Preston Crown Court case described how Halliday became embroiled in an argument after he refused to move his car from outside a man's house in Burnley. When the man said he would use a fork lift truck to remove the car, Halliday "became abusive", said the prosecution, and threw a punch after calling the victim a "big fat bastard". (continues)

www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/exclusive-transgender-lawyer-suing-graham-linehan-was-convicted-threatening-man-golf

Transactivists try to get Janice Turner suspended from Twitter
FeedMeBooks · 28/02/2019 09:47

@ biz with a litigious canadian

Transactivists try to get Janice Turner suspended from Twitter
R0wantrees · 28/02/2019 14:18

Article:
"I ASKED @JACK IF FACTS ARE BANNED ON TWITTER, AND I GOT SUSPENDED. I’LL TAKE THAT AS A YES."
(extracts)
"I am a human rights campaigner. I am currently suspended from Twitter and have been for the past month for alleged ‘hateful conduct’ in a tweet. I have not behaved in any conceivably hateful way. It disturbs me how desperately wrong Twitter’s policing has become, especially given their position as a global public square to 300+ million users. Once self-described as the “free speech wing of the free speech party”, Twitter is now almost beyond recognition.(continues)

I came across the case whilst researching the health of free speech on the major social media networks – research I am conducting in my role as director of civil liberties NGO Big Brother Watch.

I noticed that Twitter was prolifically banning women discussing the case (many of whom were also sharing disturbing accounts of predatory behaviour allegedly by the litigant)." (continues)

I wholeheartedly respect the rights and equality of trans people, like all people. Despite my view that this litigation is utterly vexatious and the related accounts of predatory behaviour are alarming, I referred to the litigant as ‘male’ rather than a ‘man’, denoting sex rather than gender identity.

To make the importance of that sex crystal clear, I referred to ‘balls’, which by design are central to the legal challenge in which the litigant seeks a scrotal wax from multiple unwilling females who don’t offer the service.

Women: No male, ever, has the right to force you to touch, service or wax their balls…

Twitter: Do not task yourself with re-inventing the rights and limitations of free speech. Definitely don’t try to dictate feminist discourse. The only way to make Twitter a fair and democratic public square is to help enforce the laws and uphold the rights we already have.

It is wholly inadvisable to experiment with the long held rights and limitations of free speech. We do not need or want the principles of free speech to be redefined by Silicon Valley.

Just imagine the consequences if Twitter law were applied in the real world. For a start, it would be impossible for the court to adjudicate on this particular case at all if they were unable to acknowledge that the litigant is male, not least because testicles are rather central to the challenge. The mind boggles.

This is just one example, among many others, where Twitter’s policing has been desperately wrong.

In this case, Twitter’s dangerously ill-informed approach to free expression has shut down meaningful debate about a human rights legal challenge that is of considerable public interest, prohibited women discussing sex-based rights, and institutionalised coercive behaviour." (continues)

About the writer:
I currently work at Big Brother Watch where I joined as Director in January 2018. We work to protect civil liberties in the UK through cross-party parliamentary advocacy, strategic litigation, and public campaigns. We play a particularly important role exposing and challenging threats to our rights in policing and technology and we seek to roll back the surveillance state. We also work on data rights and justice issues, and defend free speech online. I organise CryptoPartyLDN and have been organising CryptoParties in the UK and across Europe for over 5 years.

Previously, I was Senior Advocacy Officer at Liberty, where I led a programme on Technology and Human Rights. Prior to that, I worked for Edward Snowden’s official defence fund, the Courage Foundation.

I am the co-author of Information Security for Journalists, a handbook for the Centre for Investigative Journalism, first published July 2014. This book is free to download and periodically revised. You can find the latest edition here.

I studied Politics and Psychology at the University of Cambridge covering neuroscience, gender development, political theory, psychopathology, statistics and data science and more. I majored in Psychology and conducted experimental research on the impact of major government leaks on political psychology."

silkiecarlo.wordpress.com/2019/02/27/i-asked-jack-if-facts-are-banned-on-twitter-and-i-got-suspended-ill-take-that-as-a-yes/

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