mumsnetdescribed as a recruiting ground for the far right appealing to women!!

[stumbledin]

Quote:

" One UK feminist splinter has made it their mission to warn of the trans menace. On the BBC just a fortnight ago, a leading member of this group explained how the biggest threat facing women today was “the transgender ideology”.

So I’m biased. Not entirely convinced that upholding the rights of around 10-15,000 trans women in the UK (their focus) will bring on the gender apocalypse: whereas a toxic mix of cuts, austerity and unsympathetic government just might.

A recent schism within this group shows how wrong this can go. They recruited “Mumsnetters”, scarcely radical feminists. Surprise! Many of these were happy to sup with the far-right Heritage Foundation. Cue rapid backpedalling by people relying on the old maxim: “my enemy’s enemy is my friend”.

But then across a swathe of issues, from trans rights, to sex work to surrogacy, many of these already align closely to the right. So perhaps more apt: “Lie with dogs: get fleas!” "

end quote.

But then the writer is Jan Fae ..............

The irony of continually publicising a site then complaining about it's members

Because a woman would be hounded in the media. Look at Katie hopkins.

Jane Fae was given space in the Independent for this article recently:

'Pregnancy for trans women is around the corner – as an older trans woman, I couldn’t be happier
When it happens I shall celebrate and mourn in equal measure, regretful over the might-have-been, but elated for the lucky few who’ll get to experience giving birth'

(extract)
Like so much else about being trans, this feels like one more mystery where the surface has barely been scratched, despite the self-important certainty of “experts” in the field. I have children. I have never given birth to a child. Strictly, logically, it should make no difference. But it does.

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At times, the thought alone was enough to reduce me to howling incoherence in a way that most things don’t. Never queen of the prom? Pfft! Who cares? Never dated Hugh Jackman? A tragedy! For him, of course. But never a mother? It is difficult even to type that and ... fourth wall break ... this is the point where I stop writing in order to stand up, make a cup of tea and – yes – grab a tissue.

In more detached moments, I theorise. Perhaps it was always there, sublimated within the greater whole of my transness. Other times, I wonder if it links to the hormones that now permeate my body. My oestrogen levels regularly nudge those of the average pregnant person: perhaps I am triggering some epigenetic mechanism not unlike whatever mechanism it is that suddenly, mid-career, drives certain folk to trade everything for having a child." (continues)

www.independent.co.uk/voices/trans-pregnancy-transgender-womb-transplant-women-uterus-transphobia-motherhood-a8784536.html

For insight on Fae's understanding, priorities and perspectives, this is Fae's summary of the complex failings and failures to protect girls from organised child sex abuse:

As for unsavoury links: the authorities dropped the ball when it came to grooming in Rotherham.

The knitting and the neck scarves and "I'm a feminist" are all smoke and mirrors to deflect attention from the wolf.

Hiding in plain sight.

Sunlight is the best disinfectant. Let TRAs spout this nonsense so that the public can see them for what they are.

I agree. Disturbing as Fae's activism is, Fae's motivations are crystal clear when observed from outside the bubble.

If some of us have started reading and subscribing to more right wing publications and have resigned from our left wing political organisations it's only because the left wing ones have been calling all women who refuse to believe that being female is not important when talking about women "bigots" and "transphobes". The left has been intolerant of people who don't believe TWAW and have reverted to prioritising sexual stereotypes over sex taking feminism back 50 years.

rampant individualism of the idea of transgenderism is anything but comfortably right wing libertarian

Well, quite. How is the commodification of self via medical intervention in the absence of dysphoria anything other than capitalist? And how can any ideology that rests on a subjective sense of self ever do anything but default to extant power structures - eg pale, male, and stale?

Once you understand that anything extremist transactivism says is the reverse of the truth, it's much easier to parse what these people say.

Accusations are always admissions.

And tell me again what the left is offering women? Oh yes - extreme porn, prostitution, the elimination of sex-based rights.

How strange that women are leaving in droves. I can't think why.

I hadn't realised that Fae also made specific mention of 'transphobic Mumsnetters' in the previous article about uterus implants for male transpeople being a 'human right' and likely development.
Fae also accuses Germaine Greer of either ignorance or cruelty.

JF Independent 18/2
"Because, it is coming. The first uterus transplants for non-trans women have happened. Across the world, the technique is being honed, becoming more successful. Experts are clear: at some point in the next decade or so a trans woman will receive a uterus. And not long after that a trans woman will become pregnant.

It is, after all, as one surgeon has declared, a human right.

Tissues again! The longing for what cannot be is near overwhelming.

Meanwhile, in the Mumsnet forums, I see the transphobes declaring, already, that they would rather no part of their body ever be available for transplant that a trans woman might benefit from. This is futile. Tissue typing and social factors make it most likely that the first donors will be the mothers of trans women." (continues)
www.independent.co.uk/voices/trans-pregnancy-transgender-womb-transplant-women-uterus-transphobia-motherhood-a8784536.html

My oestrogen levels regularly nudge those of the average pregnant person

Anyone who believes that - or uses the term "pregnant person" is delusional.

certain folk to trade everything for having a child

Women, you mean.

I've noticed that Extreme Porn Advocate Jane Fae is extremely fond of a cosy little maxim. Any piece they write is always littered with them. I suppose it goes with the granny image, like the knitting

I don't give a toss what Fae thinks, I just wanted to agree with this ^^ - I cannot abide Fae's writing style, I find it so jarring and this comment hits the nail on the head.

Gawd. The level of insanity - and inanity - in Fae's article is astonishing.

I agree. Disturbing as Fae's activism is, Fae's motivations are crystal clear when observed from outside the bubble.

Reports from Fae's TRA conference, 'We're Still Here', Dawn Butler MP was keynote speaker:

OP TheHarpySings wrote
"Hi all

First off, I’m a regular poster, have been here for years under various usernames, it I’m posting here on a name change as I don’t want this traced to me.

On 8th September there was a conference held in London a Bloomsbury Baptist Church which was called We’re Still Here, which featured a variety of panels and workshops and was attended by many prominent people in the pro-GRA reform camp.

I decided to attend to find out what was being said as it was clear that they did not want anyone to attend that wasn’t a TRA or an ally.

What follows are my notes from the day... (continues)

4. Equalities Act

So… there was a kind of informal meeting during lunchtime about The Equalities Act which was being run by everyone’s favourite advocate for extreme porn, Jane Fae. Edward Lord turned up, straight from a meeting with the City of London Corp. PlEASE NOTE THAT FAE AND LORD DID NOT WANT THIS SECTION TWEETED.

Edward Lord. He was dressed like Tweedledum. Or, if I’m feeling generous, a Mario Brother that doesn’t get invited to Xmas dinner anymore.

Mr Lord was very bumfaced about the Andrew Gilligan article about him in July and said that opposition to the GRA consultation just wanted to “cause mayhem.” He directly mentioned the Man Friday Hampstead Pond stuff.

Apparently “there have been no incidents of men turning up to the women’s pond but Man Friday turned up to the men’s pond and demanded admission- by force if necessary.”

As of 8/9/18, 15.5k people had completed the attitudes survey.

Lord said that TW were entitled to the protected characteristic “Woman”- he said the Gov dept on woman and equalities has confirmed this. Apparently the brave and stunning vexatious litigator Giuliana Kendall has something to do with this being confirmed.

Edward Lord is worried about the 125 elected members of the London assembly or whatever the fuck Londoners have governing the city. Not all of them are onside. He is worried that all of this is going to be discussed at committee and that “terfs are going to protest”.

Jane Fae said that JF has been in contact w/ YHA and GirlGuiding. Fae is of the opinion that the law doesn’t distinguish gender and sex. They are not defined and parliament will not define them.

The TRAs are fully prepared to take local councils to court of they try to invoke EA2010 for reasons of sex. JF was nodding at Giuliana when JF said this.

James Morton (Scottish Trans Alliance) said to be “strategic about test cases to ensure strong case law”.

Edward Lord agreed. He also said that the City of London Corp city solicitor and the Chief Exec are “strong allies”.

Regards the consultation doc put out by the City of London Corp… Lord implied that they were going to go through the answers and cherry pick the the qualitative snapshots.

One of the Mermaids mums in attendance said the “banner of concerned mothers of vulnerable children shouldn’t be captured by bigots”. Lord is meeting officers about how data is presented and is “conscious of that line of argument”

Jane Fae said the GC side are spreading a myth of predatory males- which doesn’t happen (!!! Lolz Karen White). And also spreading the myth that that TW are paedophiles (Loz Karen White x2).

Then (and Fae didn’t want this tweeted) apparently, there ARE terrible people exploiting The Equalities Act. And they are…

Man Friday
We Need To Talk
Fair Play for Women

According to Fae, all of the above have broken laws and engaged in upskirting and crotch shots of TW. Fae talked about debating Amy Desir of Man Friday about refuges. Amy talked about how female socialisation essentially stops us from refusing TW in our spaces.

JF then asked people not to tweet this next bit because it is libellous: Amy Desir took her husband into the Next changing rooms to commit voyeurism.
Fae (shouting): “Who is the pervert now?!!”

JF hopes that Amy and Man Friday are prosecuted." (continues)
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3398737-We-re-Still-Here-Conference-8th-September-A-report-from-the-inside

reported in Independent by Yas Necati (previous articles by this journalist have demonstrated TRA bias) :
'Without your rights I can’t have my rights': Dawn Butler on the importance of intersectionality at the UK’s first transgender conference
'We have to fight for each other,' Labour's shadow secretary of state for women and equalities says
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/dawn-butler-transgender-uk-labour-intersectionality-rights-a8534761.html

Here's the thread linking to Fae's attempt to get mums to feel maternal about perverts, who want to harvest our organs and insert them into their own bodies to assuage their envy, is discussed:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3503170-Womb-transplants-for-trans-women-are-a-human-right-says-surgeon?pg=1&order=

Their dislike of mothers is quite startling although it's not hard to work out why.

Sheila Jeffries speech at the first 'We Need To Talk' meeting which took place after Maria Machlaclan was assaulted by a male transperson at Speakers' Corner.

Sheila Jeffries describes 'transgenderism' as a men's sexual rights movement which has been attempting to breach women's boundaries back in the 1970s

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3463920-Lets-go-back-to-2007

They'll be pretty nice to their own mums when they are trying to wheedle their wombs out of them.

They'll be pretty nice to their own mums when they are trying to wheedle their wombs out of them.

If you call gaslighting and relentless emotional manipulation nice. They've got years to wear her down until she concedes for a bit of peace.

Jess Bradley's contribution to the book, 'To My Trans Sisters'
edited by Charlie Craggs (publ Oct 2017)

"The first time I changed the world was when I told my mates to call me she rather than he. I literally constructed a new world where its possible to understand myself as a genderqueer woman, despite being asigned male at birth simply by changing the language to describe myself. This is why language and pronouns are so important. Its about creating a world in which trans people are allowed to exist"

"And I can honestly say that the work that trans people do for each other means that, for me at least, the trans community is a beautiful place to be. Despite our differences, we have each others' backs"

the book is described:
"Dedicated to trans women everywhere, this inspirational collection of letters written by successful trans women shares the lessons they learnt on their journeys to womanhood, celebrating their achievements and empowering the next generation to become who they truly are.

Written by politicians, scientists, models, athletes, authors, actors, and activists from around the world, these letters capture the diversity of the trans experience and offer advice from make-up and dating through to fighting dysphoria and transphobia.

By turns honest and heartfelt, funny and furious or beautiful and brave, these letters send a clear message of hope to their sisters: each of these women have gone through the struggles of transition and emerged the other side as accomplished, confident women; and if we made it sister, so can you!"

source:
books.google.co.uk/books?id=gNspDwAAQBAJ

Its fascinating how self-described liberal / left TRAs such as Fae do not consider the many right wing, violent, criminal 'trans-sisters' worthy of comment or condemnation.

Dr Jane Monckton Smith
(Forensic Criminologist specialising in homicide, Coercive Control and stalking. )

"In coercive control, the controlling person will keep diverting the actual argument to push the victim to keep defending themselves against spurious accusations. That way the victim cannot put their side, and seems to onlookers to be guilty of something. It’s a strategy."

I would be interested to know if anyone finds the columns of creeps like Fae persuasive. Surely most people just shudder and can't get to the end of those flesh-crawling words?

Strange...I'm in my 60s, have spent my life until now being grouped with the far left - and now I find I've miraculously become far-right solely because I have maintained my commitment to defending women's rights to safety, privacy, self-determination and not to be subsumed into a new category dominated by TW.

I'm massively against porn, however - maybe that's why Jane 'porn is completely harmless' Fae thinks the likes of me are 'right wing'.

So just to be absolutely clear, this would be the Jane Fae who campaigned for more porn that portrayed sex leaving serious physical injuries? And showing ‘actors’ who appeared very very young (even though they may have actually been of legal age)?
That Jane Fae?
Amazing that they get so much air time about political and social issues and not this campaign that has previously driven their interests.