Hell yes Billy Porter

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www.vogue.com/article/billy-porter-oscars-red-carpet-gown-christian-siriano

(Apols if there’s a thread already, I couldn’t see one)

Billy Porter wore a gown to the Oscars and I am LOVING his rationale as described in the Vogue article. Challenging gender stereotypes all the way. “I’m a man in a dress.” Bloody brilliant.

Yeah...jeffrey was a twunt

I loved this too and am slightly at a few of the supposedly GC women who are ranting about it (not very many, but there are a couple).

The last Lass iteration used to give me an occasional pleasant Arne earworm.

It's lovely isn't? That is indeed where that iteration came from.

This version is a bit too fast

I like this one but she can't reach the final high note.

Anyway, back to the thread.

He looked great, and I am enjoying the fragile masculinity on Twitter immensely.

And the utter bullshit about names is also hilarious.

And the utter bullshit about names is also hilarious

Glad it amuses you. It wasn't particularly funny being called out on a name change which we are all free to do.

And the dress is hideous.

And the dress is hideous

But it has pockets

This is the feminist section of Mumsnet.

Why should we give a shit what a man wears to the Oscars?

Because generally men do not wear women’s clothes. Because generally doing something “only women do” is seen as a step down: it’s mocked, it’s not something to aspire to. Challenging gender norms is an f-you to a society that still says that men have to act/be masculine and women have to act/be feminine. It’s part of the battle against boys=blue girls=pink. It’s a fight for individual freedom of expression.

That’s why.

I hate that this is seen as “revolutionary”. We did all this years ago and this is now 2019 and the kids think this is so subversive, it pisses me right off, we are regressing.

My reaction is rather "so what?"

But can someone explain this to me:

Putting on those heels made me feel the most masculine I’ve ever felt in my life.

I noticed quite a few women in suits and men in skirt-like clothes - a full on ball gown in Billy Porter’s case - at this year’s Oscars and, hell yes, I’m here for it, as the young folk say on Twitter.

Wish we could go back to the good old days of gender bending and radical clothing instead of this current trans mindset of ‘male-bodied person in dress = transwoman’, pronoun-policing nonsense.

Has anyone on here who's ever worn a dress in public been accused of "performing femininity" while wearing said dress? Genuinely asking as I really struggle believe that anything like that happens in real life and is the kind of crap that keeps me away from Twitter and the Feminism board

I guess I am too old (67) to be really impressed by so-called "radical" statements by anyone, including breaking gender norms. It always seems to juvenile to me; like the extreme rebellion I had when I was 18. Since getting past that I've never cared about gender norms or stereotypes or breaking them or not. I was a stay at home mother. So what. I don't wear make up or high heels. So what.

I’ve definitely seen little girls being sneered at on here for ‘performing femininity’.
Tends to be along the lines of ‘I’ve taught my dd to be into climbing trees and loving dinosaurs and rockets, not that pink shit’.
I notice it because I have a dd who LOVES ‘that pink shit’, and it’s nice to see them getting their arses handed to them, pink & sparkly, and traditional ‘girls’ hobbies and not inherently ‘inferior’, and my dad is not somehow lesser than a tomboy.
I will say though that it gets picked up on a lot more now than it used to, which is refreshing.

Anyway, back to the thread, good on him.
It’s so nice to see a man embrace ‘femininity’ without thinking it makes him a woman. I agree with the comment there’ll will be hoards who think he’s secretly trans with ‘internalised transphobia’.

Why should we give a shit what a man wears to the Oscars?

For me, it’s because it’s rare in this current climate to find people who “smash the gender binary” in a way that I’d recognise as gender critical: wear what you want, play with what you want, have interests and mannerisms of your choosing but recognise that you can’t change your sex.

When people like Eddie izzard who used to be gender non conforming are now coming out as trans, it’s refreshing to see people refuse to stick to roles/uniforms that society proscribes without claiming this makes them a member of the opposite sex.

I think this helps with an acceptance of rejecting gender, which is what helps oppress a lot of women, and why I think it’s being hailed as a positive on a feminist board.

Much preferred Amy Poehler's outfit. I think she looked stunning.

Never heard of this bloke but blimey that's a strong look. Huge kudos to the designer too.

Buuuuuut

Is it just me who can't help wondering what's under there? I know what women look like under dresses. Does this guy have shirt tails tucked into y fronts? I have a mental picture :)

Amy looks slick, effortless and comfortable. Good job Amy.

presea

I dont think there would be one single person who says that hasn't happened

I took offence to (probably my interpretation) that everyone on the FWR board slags off women in dresses

And ive seen many comments on other boards on mumsnet that are attributed to feminists when the poster concerned has said whether they are or not...or has actually said they aren't

Anyhoo

Dd wore her snow white dress out all the time when she was 2/3, couldn't get her out of it at one point...people still say they remember it

She wants her bedroom redoing but doesnt want baby pink, she wants woman pink. I really must try and work out what she means

morris

The shirt is a false front

I preferred the bare look with a necklace but I can't find a picture

Rufus
No, I get you,
it’s not by any means rampant, but I do think there’s an element.
As I be said, I’ve noticed people being picked up on it a lot more now!

Re the pink, hmmm
Dd says she has ‘two favourite colours’, pink and hot pink. So maybe the hot pink is the woman pink. You’ll need sunglasses in there 😂

The concept reminds me of early stage Eddie Izzard when he used to bang on about "total clothing rights"

I did worry that it was hot pink

She doesnt sleep well at the best of times she'll need a sleep mask!

Hot pink highlights, and blackout curtains, Rufus.