I declined the offer of being LGBTQ lead at work. Colleague who took the role no longer wants it.

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She had the training on Friday and has since contacted me to tell me she does not want the role and asked why I declined it.

Bit of background.
I have over the years taken on various projects at work which have had good results. They are mostly around supporting the more minority groups of our client base. I enjoy these projects so was always happy to volunteer however I have avoided this new directive because I knew what the narrative would be and the focus of the training.

After speaking to the colleague that has taken on the role it seems I was right.

A full days training barely touched upon the LGB and focused mostly on the T and the Q.
The trainer spent the majority of the day discussing genders/pronouns/authentic self and how people should be labelled with lots of talk of if you are not LGBTQ you are cis and that is the correct label.
She said the L was mentioned for about 5 minutes.
My colleague is 31 and she thought she was quite inclusive and open minded however she has said the cis narrative and the focus on genders and lack of LGB in the training has made her feel "odd".
She said it was effectively trans training with the tone being you do and say as you are told to no questions.

She no longer wants the role as she feels she disagrees with the main focus as it is not inclusive of the LGB.
The turning point for her was when the trainer announced there are TW and cis women ( no mention of TM and cis men). Another person on the training asked why not just TW & women and was told that is not inclusive language and others transwomen so cis is used to differentiate women from transwomen.

She said that after the training the group sort of hung around to have coffee and most were a bit regarding the training and how to preform this new role as it suddenly does not seem to be what they first thought.

I have advised colleague to say that she is too busy to take on the role and ask if it can be offered out to the team again.

She has asked to chat more about being GC next week as she wants to understand more of whats happening.

Has the LGBTQ training started her in the road to peak transing do you think?

Why are you using goady language Trousering?

women being cowed by someone asking for their pronouns Men and women in my scenario!

That event closed because nobidy renewed their membership... the woman running it has set up another one specifically for LGBT entrepeneurs, but locally the damage done to the original network franchise has been complete! It won't be re-opening here, at least not in the immediate future.

I completely agree with your other points Trouser and appreciate yur posting. However, your dismissal of the very real fears is obviously based on the experitse and knowledge you have of employment law and I would ask that you continue posting - as your posts are very reassuring for people who are seeing changes coming to theoir place of employment - but maybe appreciate that some of us don't have HR, are self emplyed and make money based on our personal reputation!

I am propsing that dialling down the hyperbolic and sarcastic posting Oh! You want us to be Humerlous Feminists?

I doubt that'll happen! Partly because this is a 'chat board' not a professional exchange!

Just as well as your last post would have you reported for, erm, let me see, not being nice, unprofessional conduct, bullying etc etc etc

Is there a point to your question Fairenuff?Or are you intent on scolding me for challenging the poor level of useful feminist content in this thread ?

I'm not taking part in any more of this bunfight. If anyone wants employment law advice message me.

I will reiterate one final time. If you are being subjected to procedures because of your beliefs around gender identity then you should counter this with a complaint about harassment and discrimination for your legitimate and genuinely held beliefs. This provides legal protection against victimisation for making this claim or complaint.

I don't advise you simply allow anyone to uphold a complaint against you for being offended by your beliefs. They are beliefs that are backed by the EH2010.

Not being nice!

Sorry Trousering don't know where Trousered came from! You can tell I'm not used to posting! I think your experience and expertise is really valuable. I can also understand people letting off steam in this crazy world. My point was really that we need a place where women can go to have access to your sort of expertise and support if they should fall foul of what is going on. These boards can get a bit hectic for that!

Or are you intent on scolding me for challenging the poor level of useful feminist content in this thread ? S/He's a very naughty young wo/man

Again, it's not a professional board, it is a safe place to chat about stuff that gets you looked at sideways in the real world, outside employment law, and Twitter obviuously!

Many posters have developed an FWR STyle, if you read enough of it (and begin to recognise names) you see it and get the point they are making, with humour, sarcasm, dead pan postings.

Oddly that really is allowed!

I agree Clitherow, this has prompted me to consider setting up some employment law meetings. I will talk to We need to talk, Laws and Standing for women about this and will talk to the lawyers in my network.

this has prompted me to consider setting up some employment law meetings. I will talk to We need to talk, Laws and Standing for women about this and will talk to the lawyers in my network. Please do! And then don't ban me when I join in!

As I said abouve, your posts are very informative, hold much neded information and a pespective we could all do with nurturing.

But you won't change the general teor of FWR!

I wish that bold had worked!

Curious, I have been here years, I understand. I just get tired of it, it's the same snark and drama posted over and over again. It's self defeating. I reserve the right to say it's not useful and is actually damaging for those that are already anxious.

Is there a point to your question Fairenuff?

Yes of course there is a point otherwise I would not have asked. You are patronising me.

Your choice of words is goady. People are here to discuss issues and because you have a different opinion, you say they are 'wailing and nashing' which is intended to be dismissive. I am asking why you chose to use these goady words. Maybe you are just in a grumpy mood today.

Btw it's gnashing.

this has prompted me to consider setting up some employment law meetings. I will talk to We need to talk, Laws and Standing for women about this and will talk to the lawyers in my network.

I think that is a brilliant idea. I wish I had some skills in this area (I most definitely don't!) as I would offer to help. I honestly think that more organisation is the way to go. We are in the horrific situation where the forces that are trying to bring in these changes only really need to get into schools and then wait for the rest of us to die off - and I'm not joking. You may not remember the case of the notorious paedophile Peter Righton who was a social work lecturer and a key architect of guidance for working with young people in care. A social worker - Liz Davies, I think but might have that wrong - tried tirelessly to get people to listen to her, and no one not NALGO (local authority union at the time) or the local authority would listen to her. Hence a group of men were able to insinuate themselves into Islington care homes and use the most vulnerable boys in any way they wanted. This is why I am in no way shocked that the Labour party and the unions are not only useless but complicit. And many of the key actors in that scandal are still very active today. they are in it for the long game. So I wish you all the best and you have my support in spirit - for what it's worth!

Some posters may remember that those of us posting on the feminist activism moved into feminist chat to avoid splitting the discussions or having to duplicate. So there are activism focused posters here as well as chatters. But that's not my point, I normally ignore the chat subject only threads, I am more interested in the policy and, as here, employment related ones. So this board is multi purpose. So if you find the activists patronising the chatters for their non activist chatter, that could be why. That's going to wind up a few of rantiest no doubt. .

Maybe you just don't understand dear. Never mind. You said you were leaving this thread so off you pop.

So if you find the activists patronising the chatters for their non activist chatter, that could be why Bloody hell!

Actually, rather than rise to it... Trouser maybe asking @MNHQ for a Feminist Workplace forum might solve your problem with us chatters [sic]

I said I am not taking part in the bunfight any more Fairenuff.

What bunfight? The only person casting aspersions on this thread is you. It's possible to give your advice without attempting to patronise others.

Trouser please do go ahead with your workplace employment law meetings, I think that is an excellent idea and positive action is the way to go.

So....stupid, fucking idiots, catastrophising, Orwellian, minimising, to name just a few of the pleasantries you have doled out to women who tell you how its going, in reality, how women are not allowed to state their sex for fear of widespread bullying, going on within organisations, and on the street, in their homes, this is actually happening, and yes, look at pride to see how many are involved and the impact its having, and why women are actually 'allowed' to get pissed off and angry and upset about it without being minimised, shut down (seeing as you used that to blame already), and name-called.
trousers

And some exusory bollox....