I declined the offer of being LGBTQ lead at work. Colleague who took the role no longer wants it.

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She had the training on Friday and has since contacted me to tell me she does not want the role and asked why I declined it.

Bit of background.
I have over the years taken on various projects at work which have had good results. They are mostly around supporting the more minority groups of our client base. I enjoy these projects so was always happy to volunteer however I have avoided this new directive because I knew what the narrative would be and the focus of the training.

After speaking to the colleague that has taken on the role it seems I was right.

A full days training barely touched upon the LGB and focused mostly on the T and the Q.
The trainer spent the majority of the day discussing genders/pronouns/authentic self and how people should be labelled with lots of talk of if you are not LGBTQ you are cis and that is the correct label.
She said the L was mentioned for about 5 minutes.
My colleague is 31 and she thought she was quite inclusive and open minded however she has said the cis narrative and the focus on genders and lack of LGB in the training has made her feel "odd".
She said it was effectively trans training with the tone being you do and say as you are told to no questions.

She no longer wants the role as she feels she disagrees with the main focus as it is not inclusive of the LGB.
The turning point for her was when the trainer announced there are TW and cis women ( no mention of TM and cis men). Another person on the training asked why not just TW & women and was told that is not inclusive language and others transwomen so cis is used to differentiate women from transwomen.

She said that after the training the group sort of hung around to have coffee and most were a bit regarding the training and how to preform this new role as it suddenly does not seem to be what they first thought.

I have advised colleague to say that she is too busy to take on the role and ask if it can be offered out to the team again.

She has asked to chat more about being GC next week as she wants to understand more of whats happening.

Has the LGBTQ training started her in the road to peak transing do you think?

I was reading something today where a man-bone person was dating that they were really a woman but had just been born with the wrong genitals. I had to reread it a few times.

It was in a news piece of a pre-op transsexual rocking up to a unisex beauty salon for a Brazilian and the beautician not being very happy to perform the procedure on seeing the naked person.

In their defence, they did tell them when the took the booking (although I’m not sure it the mentioned the preop but)

Man-born BORN

Dating = saying! My autocorrect is taking the piss today

Your colleague could argue that she feels unqualified to fulfill the role. because of a lack of experience in the T and Q.

It would be suitable for a job share role - with your colleague focussing on same sex attraction and A N Other dealing with those who seek to live as though they were the opposite sex. The two groups have nothing in common and it is too much to expect one person to cover both groups - even after a training session on the T and the Q.

It would be great if more people pointed out that it is wrong to assume that LGB and TQ have the same needs, legal status and outlooks.

I’d ask if they spent as much energy is ensuring that disabled workers had as much care and attention as the T & Qs?

My mandatory training involved a 40yo with male pattern baldness who decided he was a woman two years previously lecturing a room full of women about how hard it was being him because now he was afraid to walk home in his own from the pub in case he got beaten up. Oh, and how women’s swimming costumes were discriminatory because they showed his wedding tackle.
And how rude waiting staff were for not serving him first.
His declared aim was that by then end of the session we would all truly believe he was a woman, as just going through the motions and using desired pronouns wasn’t enough - we had to believe, because he could tell if we didn’t.
Despite his obvious bollocks, he didn’t have the balls to ask about our belief levels at the end. Good job.
And no. We have never had a mandatory training session on any other far more prevalent area of potential inequality. Despite it being mandatory, no men from our organization attended. Apparently women are the only ones afraid for their jobs if they don’t show the required kowtowing to the T.
Funny that.

Please can somebody tell me what GC is? As I type I realise it may mean gender critical... any chance you could explain what that means?

I think that it is Gender Critical.

Mamaryllis this will do nicely for him, covers everything very well, including his penis and balls. My god, misogny at it is finest, it just shows the crap women have to go through, the men did not feel they had to come to the 'training', but the women did, because they are used to be shat on by a great height by men.

www.amazon.co.uk/Hougood-Swimming-Coverage-Swimsuits-Protection/dp/B07CM4KC13/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=swim+suit+suitable+for+muslim+ladies&tag=mumsnetforum-21&ie=UTF8&qid=1550948463&sr=8-1

Why can't everyone just be honest? If all the women came out of the training thinking the same thing, they should be able to speak up to management about the problems with it. What are they going to do, sack you all?

On second thoughts ...

TBH, this is a culture of fear and everyone is pussyfooting around, worried in case someone thinks they're not 'woke'. It needs to be challenged.

It also covers his male pattern baldness .

I know, in the op, somebody should have challenged her. I bloody would have.

I wonder what would happen if a Muslim woman said (in this situation) "I can't be in toilets at work with staff who have men's genitals."

So you'd have two sets of protected people. Who would win that battle?

🖐 👋 me me me ask me! I know I know!

LordProf, I think I know, too!

Here’s a clue 🍌

Ummm that's beyond me!

"So you'd have two sets of protected people. Who would win that battle?"

The biological men feelings, will always trump a biological women needs. What a surprise!

We have gender neutral toilets in my building. But they are single rooms. Have been utterly grotty since going gender neutral but whatever.
In a second building we have men’s and women’s in one floor, gender neutral and women’s on another floor. I’m too scared to ask which terf stuck her head above the parapet and made that stick, but I hope she knows what a star she is. We also have men’s and women’s changing rooms, and a third space that is gender neutral.
We have other issues around gender identity that are more problematic...
I’m loving the swimming garb. It would stop the rest of his hair floating away. Bargain.

Yes, Babies, it was a rhetorical question!

Ha it would, woulden't it Mamarillys😂😂😂

Sorry about the confusion yesterday. Old habit of placing a . instead of anything else.

Just wishes to add the word of warning about being careful at work.
I am currently subject to procedures for saying TWANW. One never knows who will discover their wokeness and wish to make a point. It's been a bit of a story but the lesson of being careful cannot be over emphasised. Being GC isn't welcome.

And my union is wokest of all.

Mr Pan. I am concerned that there are procedures. Has someone said that you have harressed or discriminated against them? Are you willing to share details?

I ask because I am quite senior in HR and would not hesitate to say that trans women are male, there are no reasons I can't, provided it's not harassment or discrimination.

The ehrc guidance says that thinking that twanw is lawful