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What’s gone wrong with Stonewall article by Jonny Best

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MenstruatorExtraordinaire · 21/02/2019 22:04

medium.com/@JonnnyBest/whats-gone-wrong-with-stonewall-1be30cffba9f

Really good summary here.

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MenstruatorExtraordinaire · 21/02/2019 22:05

medium.com/@JonnnyBest/whats-gone-wrong-with-stonewall-1be30cffba9f

"Stonewall’s trans inclusivity cannot be at the cost of delegitimising lesbian and gay sexualities or ignoring the safety and specific needs of women and girls. An LGBT alliance which demands ideological submission is not worth preserving."

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Katvonfelttipeyebrows · 21/02/2019 22:09

What an excellent article. He writes so well!

SirVixofVixHall · 21/02/2019 22:16

Yes he does. He writes with such reason, clarity and intelligence. I hope that people take note.

SisterWendyBuckett · 21/02/2019 22:29

He's laid it all out there so clearly.

CallingDannyBoy · 21/02/2019 22:40

Fantastic article and so clear

Notevenmyrealname · 22/02/2019 07:13

This is a brilliant article explaining everything perfectly.

SalrycLuxx · 22/02/2019 07:14

No hope they’ll change though. They’re too heavily skewed to TRAs now.

WineGummyBear · 22/02/2019 14:14

More excellent work from Jonny. Really enjoyed this one.

It led to a break through conversation with a family member who is feminist but firmly believes the 'Guardian says there's nothing to worry about so there's nothing to worry about'. The 'replace gender identity with sexist stereotypes' was a game changer.

Thanks Jonny. As always.

RomanticFatigue · 22/02/2019 14:32

It feels like the tide is starting to turn and the message is getting out there. Anyone else feel the same?

thatdamnwoman · 22/02/2019 15:00

That's a really brilliant article. I had never understood why one of my former pro-trans friends had accused me of denying transpeoples' right to exist, as if I was wanting to kill them. Now I get it and now I can just shrug it off.

I'm a lesbian and actually sat on various Stonewall committees back in the noughties. I and most of the other lesbians I know got out years ago. We now regard Stonewall as one of the main sources of our oppression.

quixote9 · 24/02/2019 03:13

Medium has started paywalling in a particularly smug way. A kind soul has the piece on reddit (remove space in https): h ttps://www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/comments/atag0e/whats_gone_wrong_with_stonewall/eh01wl7/

(I do know writers need to be paid. I'd be glad to pay Best, he's brilliant. I'd be glad to pay for an article after I've read it and know what I'm buying. But if some web site wants me to put up with smarmy manipulativeness, they need to pay me, not the other way around.)

JonnyBest · 24/02/2019 18:01

Sorry about the paywall, quixote9 - I'm looking for somewhere to put my writing so anyone can access it. I will also include a PayPal button in case anyone wants to send me money for a coffee! I'm a freelance musician and PhD student so every little helps right now...

Glad you liked the article. Best wishes.

Lamaha · 24/02/2019 19:23

Brilliant article, Jonny. Good to see you here.

feministfairy · 24/02/2019 19:41

That's yet another excellent article from Jonny. It is so good to see gay men standing alongside lesbians and women. Thank you Jonny.

Ali1cedowntherabbithole · 25/02/2019 13:44

Thank you for this link - Such an accessible explanation to share and get across what I have been struggling to.

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