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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Iain Macwhirter: Get over it - cis women are just on the wrong side of history

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GrinitchSpinach · 17/02/2019 21:36

WHEN is a woman not a woman? When she’s being addressed by the Scottish Government. It is now “pejorative” to call a person with a uterus and XX hormones a “biological woman”, according to a spokesperson quoted in The Times. In future, the Government intends to use the term “cis-gender” instead.

This, apparently, is to educate heteronormative women about their “privilege” – the fact that they can use the toilets, sorry “washrooms”, of their choice and access healthcare.

www.heraldscotland.com/news/17438641.iain-macwhirter-get-over-it-cis-women-are-just-on-the-wrong-side-of-history/

I think he misuses 'heteronormative' there, but the piece is good overall and well worth a read.

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Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 17/02/2019 21:50

Very good, thank you for sharing

And what a relief that he didnt say anything transphobic...Grin

Illyria47 · 17/02/2019 22:07

Rufus Yes, Phew, wipes hand on brow, what a relief!
Now, if a woman had written that, well, transphobic all the way.
Seriously, I do wonder if Mr Macwhirter will get any hostile tweets or comments the same way us women do when we venture to say the same thing.

LangCleg · 17/02/2019 22:12

I should be careful here because a number of TERFS have been banned from social media for saying that a person with a penis is a man. So I won’t say that.

Phew. That would have been a totally outrageous thing to say.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 17/02/2019 22:16

I agree lang and illy

A few near misses bit nicely avoided

Phew indeed!!

RedemptiveCrocodile · 17/02/2019 22:28

Every time I see the phrase "wrong side of history" I think of the amazing Leeds Spinners women, and laugh.

Iain Macwhirter: Get over it - cis women are just on the wrong side of history
Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 17/02/2019 22:32

Redemptive

I keep meaning to cross stitch that Grin

Badgerthebodger · 17/02/2019 22:38

Great article with lots of points covered. First few comments I saw though contained two people determinedly tying themselves in knots with “sex is a spectrum” nonsense whilst also agreeing that trans women just might have some unfair advantages in sport. So much effort going into trying square a circle - how about we stay as we are, and women can compete against women and men against men. We could have a trans categoryif there were enough athletes to compete. Suspect that won’t be acceptable though

littlbrowndog · 17/02/2019 22:41

Best article ever.
Sums everything up

LizzieSiddal · 17/02/2019 22:43

Love that article.

ToeToToe · 17/02/2019 22:48

Great article.

"It is one of the most radical and abrupt cultural changes in human history."

It does feel like we're going through some sort of cultural revolution - a la China. Complete with the public shaming and disgrace of anyone who publicly disagrees. Any minute now I'm expecting Julie Bindel to be paraded in the street with a sign saying "Transwomen are Women" around her neck.

I keep waiting for the madness to end... but it hasn't. Powerful forces are at play here.

littlbrowndog · 17/02/2019 22:49

Exposes the whole pack of shite for what i5 is

ContessaIsOnADietDammit · 17/02/2019 22:54

That is rather good Grin

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 17/02/2019 23:01

"It is one of the most radical and abrupt cultural changes in human history."

And it's one that the public on the whole are against. It's all too down, it's all dodgy as fuck and it's all too big and sudden not to be sinister.

MsVanillaRoseAuntof7 · 18/02/2019 12:26

That's a really disingenuous thing to say. Nobody is saying that Charlie India Sierra women are the wrong side of history.

LangCleg · 18/02/2019 12:35

I think they call it satire, Vanilla. Not hugely popular with the Authoritarian Woke, I know.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 18/02/2019 13:23

cis cis cis cis cis

you can say it

just don't say that anyone here is cis

it pisses them right off, what with implying that they accept gender stereotypes used to repress women

hackmum · 18/02/2019 14:12

I recently forced myself to re-read that OJ article the other day and discovered that he didn't use the phrase "wrong side of history".

It's quite funny that nonetheless, that's the phrase that will ever be indelibly associated with him. Bit like Humphrey Bogart and "Play it again, Sam." (OK, not very like Humphrey Bogart.)

GGMummy3 · 18/02/2019 14:18

Such a witty article Grin

Threewheeler1 · 19/02/2019 12:22

Comment underneath by Mary H is bloody fantastic.
Might frame it and put it on my desk.

DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 19/02/2019 13:15

Great article. Thanks for sharing, Grinitch.

Vixxxy · 19/02/2019 13:55

Good article. Expected it to boils my piss from the title, which is the sort of thing I usually see being said seriously!

Toorahtoorahaye · 19/02/2019 16:43

I’m sure OJ has used the WSOH phrase on twitter.

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