I wonder why Posie is sharing this story about allegedly homophobic Christians?

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She's posted it without comment, but I can only assume it's because she approves of the removal of the app. After all the story has no mention of transgenderism, the concern is that the app implied that being gay is a 'sickness' and a 'sin'. The original petition against the app (there's a link in the story) also only talks about gay people, absolutely nothing about transgenderism.

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I do remember being told by a friend that i had set feminism back 100 years because i dont put petrol in the car

How was this measurement of 100 years calculated?

I dunno

I was too busy laughing

you haven't heard or seen it happen, great for you. The point is that it does happen and it will be happening at the school where these parents are protesting. Yet they choose only to see a problem when it comes to same-sex relationships.

Maybe they haven't seen it?

Rufus it was exasperation that motivated it. Nobody really stepped in to say anything to the people who insisted that they had never heard of any of the things I was talking about. Whether your personal friends have said it is surely utterly irrelevant to any debate like this. By telling me that I must keep weird company, that is as clear as day saying that it's not a legitimate social concern and something that is confined to my weird social circle.

that is as clear as day saying that it's not a legitimate social concern and something that is confined to my weird social circle.

It was in answer to your question.

CaptainKirksSpookyghost just stop now, okay. I haven't got the energy for this today. I have too much other shit going on.

Nobody really stepped in to say anything to the people who insisted that they had never heard of any of the things I was talking about.

Did you expect people to step in for you?

It's better to argue becuase you think something is right rather than start because you want people to step in.

Nobody really stepped in to say anything to the people who insisted that they had never heard of any of the things I was talking about

I hadnt read that far

Well OP, I think your posting here is making a difference. I'm now even more convinced that "antifa" is a grouping for authoritarians, thought police, grievance mongers, bullies, and thugs

However this plays out, let's hope that the antifa fanatics are kept on the fringes. Letting them get any control of anything would lead to discrimination and individuals being targeted for harm

Spot on.

I have heard this actually, ‘little Tommy is going on a play date with little Tilly. She’s his girlfriend from nursery.’ It’s been from the sort of parents who probably wouldn’t know what their kids learn at school though, let alone object or protest. I actually hate the term play date if I’m honest.

I was also one of these kids who was bought up having heterosexual relationships shoved down my throat. Not because my parents and everyone we knew were heterosexual, more that I was always told I’d grow up and marry a nice man. It is very damaging, or at least it was for me, but I grew up in the 80s and early 90s, so times might have changed. I rather suspect not in most cases but I think it will have for some families.

I also suspect that the vast majority of parents who are protesting these lessons on the grounds of homophobia would protest about the transgender element as well if they even knew it existed. Then you’ll get the people who will have a go at the homophobic parents, while also having a go at the gays and lesbians via the vehicle of trans ideology. I don’t know what Posie thinks but I very much doubt she’d fall into either of these catagories.

I also suspect that the vast majority of parents who are protesting these lessons on the grounds of homophobia would protest about the transgender element as well if they even knew it existed. Then you’ll get the people who will have a go at the homophobic parents, while also having a go at the gays and lesbians via the vehicle of trans ideology.

There will also be some people whose Islamophobia will be a key driver for their response.
It is a very complex situation which requires a calm, nuanced adult response.

It is a very complex situation which requires a calm, nuanced adult response.

Yes, it is.

What we need is a graphic in Venn diagram form. If I was any good at this shit (I am not), I would make one!

Like R0, I've looked at quite a few of the No Outsiders lesson plans available online. Lots of good stuff in there. Genuinely. Anti-bullying, supportive environments, building friendships, accepting people for who they are. All good stuff based on protected characteristics (except for sex, where it is weak).

However, there's also conflation of sex and gender, and gender reassigment and gender identity, in material that purports to educate children about EqA. I can't support this. Nor would I be happy for my child to attend lessons that taught gender identity theory as established fact and not the faith-based belief system it actually is.

I'm in the Venn diagram somewhere. But it's not in the segments that support either homophobia or Islamophobia.

"I find it hard to take posts by someone using the name "antifa" seriously."

^

It will always make me think 'You're my wife now, Dave', thanks to Antifa and Ministry.
I used to love you, Dave. I mean Ministry.

Funkyfunkybeat12 Earlier, you said:

"Why do you have to be older to learn about gay relationships when heterosexual relationships are foisted on children before they can talk and nobody raises an eyebrow? "

If a child is living in a family with parents of both sexes s/he is not having a heterosexual relationship "foisted" on her / him, s/he is experiencing it directly every moment of their lives, as most children do.

Do cats have to opt out of donating their eyes or is it assumed that they are willing donees.

I'd imagine it's like jury service/ the hunger games Cocker

JackyHolyoake I just think it's important for all children to know from a young age that there is nothing wrong with being different to most others and that there certainly is nothing wrong with being gay. Obviously, everything needs to be age-appropriate, but I absolutely think that there should be visibility in schools of same-sex families as well as heterosexual ones. It can be very damaging to grow up thinking there is something wrong with you and never seeing any role-model that you can look up to.

Loads of the Disney stuff is about girls growing up to marry their prince. People say this stuff to kids all the time, either explicitly or implicitly. Some of those kids might grow up to be gay, but few people see a problem with an assumption that their kids will be heterosexual. Yet when it is suggested that schools be inclusive, then there are fears that it may harm kids to hear that same-sex relationships are normal. And those protest signs and leaflets say nothing about trans ideology- it's all about homosexuality. I am sure they have issues with that too, but their main issue seems to be a fear that their kids will catch the gay.

Sidetrack question: do we know if Elsa is a lesbian or not yet?

I can't stand Disney.

I wonder how the starling got into our attic and then got out again.
Do you know @antifa?
Could you come and fix it please? Thanks.

Thanks for the heads up on Posie OP. Never heard of her before, just found her on Facebook and she's awesome, totally fierce! Thanks for pointing me her way 😊

Ah, antifa, you're back with the same garbage as yesterday. Really, you're going to have to step up your game a bit if your plan of instilling discord and tension is going to work. We've already explained that Posie is her own person, only speaks for herself, and that none of us wish to pick apart her every thought and move.

(Emily G. is this you? Couldn't find any Americans to harass?)

Now, how about we have a REAL conversation about feminism and women's rights? I'm curious as to how you'd define the word woman. Or, let's see...whether or not you believe in lady brains? Or care to discuss what is happening in women's athletics right now and the advantages a biologic male has in sport? Ooh, how about women's prisons and the abuse of incarcerated women by self-proclaimed transwomen? Cotton ceiling and erasure of lesbians, antifa? There's always the overly gender-ified toxic culture in which we live and the harm it has on children to mull over. And if you're still searching for a topic to explore, let's do talk about early medical and surgical transition of children with gender identity issues.

Yeah, my hunch is we'll have crickets here...