Sky News just featured story appearing in tomorrow's Sunday Mail

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Apparently a woman spent 8 hours in a cell/being interviewed by the police for a "transphobic" Tweet along the lines of TWAW. Can't bring myself to buy the Mail tomorrow to check the details, but it may be taken up by other papers.

ou guys really need to drop the paranoia. I'm asking questions because I'm interested in the answers, I'm not attacking you and I'm not here to disrupt.
I'm not paranoid and i don't think you are attacking me.
If anything I’m absent-minded and eccentric, maybe a traditional mad scientist type, but i don't think paranoid is descriptive of me.

Although I will point out either you think I’m paranoid, or you are sure troll have been here before, I’m not sure both can co-exist.

Outrage (a la Posie) smashes open doors, once the doors are open, the GC academics and legal professionals can present the carefully considered and referenced arguments.

No one outside of the GC bubble will ever hear those arguments without outrage being generated first.

Precisely.

Worldwide round up (not endorsing these sources, just collating them):

South Africa: www.iol.co.za/news/world/mom-arrested-after-calling-a-trans-woman-a-man-19224248

New Zealand: www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12202875

The Breitbart version (USA) ties together several of Hayden’s previous attempts to shut down critics (including a mention of Posie’s billboard) and currently has 3000 ish comments: www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/02/10/uk-mother-arrested-in-front-of-children-for-calling-trans-person-a-man-on-twitter/

Original mail story now up to 146k shares.

Going back to the issue of "the wrong kind of media" (a chorus of groans breaks out) I would suggest you have a read of this story MhairiV:

www.newstatesman.com/politics/feminism/2018/01/marie-dean-story-shows-there-s-no-simple-answer-how-we-treat-transgender

It's a report about The Guardian deliberately withholding key facts of a story in order to present a transwoman in a very sympathetic light.

This is what we've been battling for years. It's only recently that some parts of the media are willing to report on the facts.

Bah, not The Guardian but the sister paper, The Observer.

I am reading the replies but I'm all worried that I just come across like I'm deliberately derailing the thread so I'm not going to respond. Look forward to chatting it through some other time. Argh. The newbie struggle is real. (Point taken re: power of outrage though.)

Ha, spend a Friday or Saturday evening on here when the trolls come out, especially with a full moon, and you will understand why some of the regulars are so wary. It is nothing personal.

Just thinking again about that Boris Johnson piece. The Telegraph is very frightened of litigation, and recently caved in completely when Melania Trump threatened to sue for libel over a piece they'd published about her. What's particularly funny is that the US journalist who wrote the piece is now suing the Telegraph for defaming her by saying her original piece was false.

I realise it's probably worth more time, money and effort than the worth of it for Kate to sue the Telegraph. But a single stern letter from a lawyer might prompt an apology.

The Boris Johnson piece lost me when he said that Kate 'had an unbridled tongue'. In the context of one of the main issues here being the silencing of women about their rights and safety, I think it was possibly the most stunningly inappropriate use of a phrase I've seen in some time.

I think it was possibly the most stunningly inappropriate use of a phrase I've seen in some time.

Agreed. Absolutely agreed. It speaks volumes about which side BoJo is on when it comes to the silencing of women, doesn't it?

I'm just not convinced that good things come from dancing with the devil. Outlets like that dangle your cause for clicks one day then turn around and smash it with ridiculous lies the next. It's a outrage machine, nothing more.

But the DM is popular because they know how to ride the outrage wave, and right now there are several peak-transing events and the DM is going to milk the situation for every click it can get (if I may mix my metaphors)

I would absolutely love for Stephanie to sue the Daily Mail.

Poor tactics by the TRAs.

Their #nodebate using Stonewall's influence within the corridors of the power is misfiring. Now it is opening up they will find themselves fighting on several fronts:

1. Free speech. Americans, the DM, academia and others get this.
2. Medical ethics and science
3. Safeguarding both children and vulnerable adults. There will be more Karen White type stories.
4. Sport - wait for Tokyo. A transperson winning gold will peak trans half the world.
5. Lesbians. Erasure and the whole same sex/gender attraction thing. (And transexuals and intersex.)
6. Feminism. Patriarchy and the gender sceptical.
7. Women and our right to have boundaries and not always "be nice".
8. The Christian Right.

No we don't all have to care about everything, and yes we can disagree with the basis on which some object. But the more pressure there is on the #nodebate dam, the quicker it will collapse. And then hopefully Stonewall with its recent pernicious and opaque influence in schools and elsewhere will be seen for what it is.

Some good could be lost with the bad, which is why it is important that individuals and groups remain true to their principles. But at the moment Outrage is good.

What is Ruth Hunt up to? Her head needs a good wobble. The T needs to be separated from LGB and indeed transexuals/intersex must not be allowed to be be appropriated by TRA movement. Nor should women lose their equalities gains. Whilst the damage to women's sport could set it back a couple of decades, and those poor children.

MhairiV

Believe me, you're not the first person to struggle with the fact that it's the likes of the Daily Mail that is reporting this. There is not a woman here who hasn't start several posts with, I'm sorry for the source, but...

It's very lowering to know that right-wing papers seem to be the only ones capable of critical thought on this issue. And discussion around how to tackle it has ebbed and flowed since the beginning.

However, as more and more outlets pick this up, the political emphasis is being used as yet another attempt to shut women up.

So most people, are completely Over It, now. Plus the papers are reporting accurately. They just are.

Put it this way, that one article has been shared (that's shared, so not including the people with whom it has been shared), more times in one day, than the entire circulation of the Guardian.

And still the Guardian don't get it.

You guys really need to drop the paranoia.
This thread is a bunch of GC women discussing, online, a GC woman who was kept in cells for comments she made online.
Just because you think we're paranoid it doesn't mean they (especially Emily G) aren't out to get us.

Absolutely AornisHades.

The person who is the topic of the article, is also suing Mumsnet. Because of what the women here are saying.

It's not paranoia.

And still the Guardian don't get it.

There is a reason the guardian is on its last legs.

Though they seem pleased with the donations they receive. I wonder where the money is coming from. A dangerous path.

There is a danger in blindly following something without thinking about what you are following.

It's how we are in this situation right now in fact.

It's very lowering to know that right-wing papers seem to be the only ones capable of critical thought on this issue.

You're right. And yet I have to say that even though I despite a lot of what the Daily Mail and Mail on Sunday do, particularly in regards to immigrant-bashing, a lot of their reporting is brilliant. It's not just on this particular issue, they often have really good stories on other topics. We don't notice it, because most of us are too busy being outraged about the bad stuff, but they often break stories that other papers have ignored, and those stories are often well-researched and well-written. If you go back and look at the coverage of things like Savile and Kids Company, it was far more extensive than coverage in the broadsheet papers. They obviously had the resources to dig much deeper. The coverage of the trans issue hasn't been lazy clickbait, it's been good, solid reporting. The interview Sanchez Manning did with Helen Watts is a case in point. It's a really clear, in-depth look at the issues:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6222859/Guide-leader-says-sacked-telling-bosses-new-transgender-policies-pose-risk.html

the mail were instrumental in getting the Stephen Lawrence case widely reported too.

They can be shits. They can break and cover stories that really matter. That’s the price of free speech. An unfettered press is VITAL for a free society.

They also have a new editor who appears to have a rather more favourable view of women than the previous one.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6690829/Boris-Johnson-attacks-police-wasting-time-Twitter-trolls-instead-tackling-knife-crime.html

The Daily Mail are extending this by quoting the Boris story in the Telegraph. Comments allowed.

This article is also worth rereading. Not least because there are real parallels between Linda/Venice and this.

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-6116899/LITTLEJOHN-outrageous-Linda-Bellos-dragged-court-violent-trans-activists.html

"It's a outrage machine, nothing more".

Blah blah yer doin it rong woof woof. Have a .

@Needmoresleep I can imagine. I'd probably be the same myself I'd been around longer. I'll be ok, I'm pretty thick skinned, but I shall try to tread carefully ;) My intentions are genuinely good though. I'm like a kid in a sweetie shop at the moment, gobbling up all these fascinating threads.

Thanks for being kind.