Sky News just featured story appearing in tomorrow's Sunday Mail

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Apparently a woman spent 8 hours in a cell/being interviewed by the police for a "transphobic" Tweet along the lines of TWAW. Can't bring myself to buy the Mail tomorrow to check the details, but it may be taken up by other papers.

If people want the women of the general public to be made aware and to begin following these subjects it has to be packaged in a different way

If we want the general public to be more aware, then it has to be reported in what the general public actually read. The general public do not read The Guardian.

Like it or not, the Mail has a massive reach worldwide.
From the Mail (who have the money and experience to defend against lawsuits) the story has now gone to the Telegraph, the Metro and the S*n.

Sex based rights affect half the world’s population, that includes women who read the Mail.

On the off chance press are reading, can you please link the various relevant Harrop/Hayden tweets and add screenshots?

The Spectator has also covered the issues very well.

James Kirkup in particular.

Maybe read a few articles by those journalists mentioned and then see where you are.

Or there is some great stuff to be found on Twitter. Jane Clare Jones, Kathleen Stock and Julie Bindel to name just a few.

The Daily Mail and other similar outlets couldn't care less about the rights of women and girls

The Daily Mail has a refreshing lack of tolerance for men who like to perpetrate violence and intimidation against women

I increasingly appreciate it, particularly in the light of the poor response of the BBC and so called ‘liberal’ media outlets to these issues

@Popchyk just read it now and seems pretty reasonable to me. I like the idea and I also like not having to dig through blatantly provocative snark to get to the bones of the article. Works for me.

Caro - surely someone is interested in your story as a follow up ‘compare and contrast’? Have you tried contacting the story breaking journalist directly?

Apologies if that’s a stupid suggestion - I only know piecemeal parts of what’s been going on with you - but the overreaction of the police in Kate’s situation in comparison to what seems like underaction to the point of negligence in yours is tangible.

She is well-supported by her friends and family. Her FB status yesterday was ‘What a day’

That's really good to hear. I think all of us here are worried about her and want to do what we can. It looks as if her story might be the one that finally wakes people up to what's happening.

Am pretty sure that James Kirkup will be writing about this in his next column. Looking forward to it.

The Mail is still the most read newspaper in the UK.
Just because you don't read it, doesn't mean the rest of the UK doesn't.

That's why I'm uncomfortable

Mhairi, if you read back over the past few weeks, there have been a lot of new posters who have peddled the "purer than thou" feminist line, often disrupting important threads.

To be honest I am sick and tired of the whole if you are not Oh Jeremy Corbyn, Remain, and TWAW, you are a morally corrupt person. Lots of ordinary mums here, who simply don't like the idea of safeguarding frameworks being dismantled and pre-teen kids being given hormones. If the DM covers our concerns ad brings the issue to a wider readership good on them. If you don't want to read the DM, then don't. Perhaps though you could start a separate thread to discuss the legitimacy of different news outlets. Assuming each share is read by 5 people, the DM story has reached an awful lot of people.

The Daily Mail has a refreshing lack of tolerance for men who like to perpetrate violence and intimidation against women

Whereas the position of the Guardian is "well, it really depends on the relative positions of the abuser and victim in the oppression hierarchy".

Then again maybe we are all evil witches / warlocks and you've taught us a lesson.

But carrying on it is the paper with the highest readership in the UK.

I don't mind the criticism by people who have gone out and activity done something to aid the situation. Pontificating people who rock up having done nothing - I have less sympathy to their purity demands.

@LangCleg No, nothing like that. I'm just not convinced that good things come from dancing with the devil. Outlets like that dangle your cause for clicks one day then turn around and smash it with ridiculous lies the next. It's a outrage machine, nothing more.

And thanks for the further reading tips. Will check them out @Popchyk

I'm just not convinced that good things come from dancing with the devil

See here's the thing, WE didn't put this in the mail, it's not us that did it, there's now behind the scene movement going on with it, there's no group here.
It's not us doing the dancing, we are enjoying the party from the seats.

Someone at the Mail read posts on here, investigated then reported the situation, nobody contacted them.

sadly The Guardian wont touch this sort of story (or perhaps they will, now it's gone viral?) because they need to maintain their woke credentials, never mind what the actual facts are in this case (which are plain as plain can be)

@WhatHaveYou Um, if you mean me, you have zero idea what I have or haven't done. No need for the personal either, thanks.

Same goes for the "holier than thou" thing. Jesus.

I appreciate the replies but wasn't trying to take things off topic. I'll gladly contribute if a thread on this subject pops up but will drop the media questions for now. Thanks for responding.

It's a outrage machine, nothing more

No. This is not correct. Some of the articles, even by the Daily Mail, spit, are properly reporting things that should be of concern to people.

I had thinking like yours a couple of years back. I've realised that it made me easy to manipulate and have now decided that the facts of a story are more important than its source. PR is important too, but until we can get the facts out in the public eye, PR is of little use.

"It's a outrage machine, nothing more".

Sometimes you need outrage. It can be a great driver for getting shit done.

And outrage is a million times better than silence when it comes to the harm visited upon children.

Don't concern yourself about the outrage.

Concern yourself about the silence. And the collusion. That's where the nasties really lie.

there have been a lot of new posters who have peddled the "purer than thou" feminist line, often disrupting important threads

Yes. It's so fucking tiresome, all this I'm GC, honest guv, but I'm going to dominate threads by finding purity objections to anything that happens in the GC world.

Mhairi - are right wing women, women? Or must they have their rights dictated to them by left wing women?

It's so fucking tiresome

And it's not really working well as disrupting threads isn't really doing anything other than bump them.

Harrop was once a member of the Tory party.

Harrop is a part of the flying lawyer story. The flying lawyer is painting a narrative of an innocent, look at what they did to others.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=2G4IhPncF3w

@LangCleg and @CaptainKirksSpookyghost

You guys really need to drop the paranoia. I'm asking questions because I'm interested in the answers, I'm not attacking you and I'm not here to disrupt. I appreciate you probably do have a problem with trolls but save your energy for them because I'm not here for anything other than genuine discussion. You can choose to believe that or not, it's no skin off my nose.

Sometimes you need outrage. It can be a great driver for getting shit done

Absolutely! Without outrage we’d never get this shit on a politicians agenda.

Outrage (a la Posie) smashes open doors, once the doors are open, the GC academics and legal professionals can present the carefully considered and referenced arguments.

No one outside of the GC bubble will ever hear those arguments without outrage being generated first.

There are a lot of strands to this issue. Stonewall and friends have taken an #nodebate TWAW approach, leading to real concerns about free speech and the ability to debate.

DM has long championed free speech and used its resources to fight super-injunctions. Often around footballers etc, not flying lawyers. This may mean the freedom to write piss-poor click-bait articles, but so be it. The Guardian has a trust fund, plus seeks donations. (It would be interesting to see how much now comes in from the US astroturf, as this might explain the harder TWAW line from its US editorial staff.) The Mail relies on readers and advertising.

And hey. The Mail is populist. But that does not stop it from being brave and writing good albeit careful articles, on issues that will resonate with their readers, or that reflect their concerns about limits on free speech.

I wonder whether many of those shares come from people (police and NHS staff, etc) who have been forced to sit through Stonewall/Mermaids/etc training and have not dared to speak up fearing that their jobs would be on the line. And reflect a relief that at least the Mail appears to have their backs. If James Kirkup is right and a whole lot of people within the Establishment don't dare question, this must be more so for junior staff. A bit more pushing from the Mail and hopefully the dam will burst.