Are these stupid questions?

[IdentifiesAsTired]

In any negotiation, there's usually some kind of mutual benefits, right?

So, what is transactivism bringing to the table for females? What do natal women get in return for opening up their female-only spaces and the female legal identity to literally any male that says they identify as a woman? How do members of the female sex benefit from transactivism turning everything mixed-sex? How is the category 'woman' being enhanced by denying that female reproductive biology is what defines the group, in order to protect the feelings of some males? How is it valuable and enriching for lesbians to be told they must include a penis in their sex lives?

Should I be considering (in their terms:) AFAB nonbinary folks/transmen as the net beneficiaries from the female sex here? Is it that feminists should be fighting for some female's rights to attempt to modify their bodies, take testosterone and undergo double mastectomies/ hysterectomies because they feel their internal identities don't fit with the rigid and harmful feminine gender role?

I can think of multiple negative effects transactivism has on females as a sex, but I am struggling to see the benefits.

Can anyone help?

Stand to gain alot? Maybe - but men will actually never accept them as men so I think they'll find that they still get all the downsides of being a woman. I mean look at the freemasons new rules, and primogeniture.
The cotton ceiling is another area that doesn't work both ways either,

Transmen don't actually turn into men, weetabix.

It's true they pass better in general.

But to imagine that they instantly get conferred on them all the advantages of being born and growing up male, the socialisation telling they are in charge etc and the height, breadth etc of a born male is nonsense.

And of course lots of them will be fairly little blokes.

And of course the ones who don't pass / and everyone who knows, will still be seen as women even if people pretend to their faces that they're men.

Like what exactly?

Knicknackpaddyflak

I have googled. Can find plenty of individual university statements but no guidance from the Equality Commission.

Transman was raped by a cab driver.
Protested that they were a man throughout.
Didn't help much.
Poor sod.

Can you ID your way out of oppression? A few, maybe.

If women could gain all the advantages of beign male simply by saying "I'm male" don't you thikn that would be a pretty serious global trend!

Would stop a lot of the problems women have quicksmart.

Hello I'm sacking you illegally as you're pregnant and with the changes to the laws by the conservative govt, you have little recourse

I'm male!

Oh sorry mate take it all back here have a pay rise

If you feel that men are benefitting from self ID because men are identifying as women then women must also be benefitting by identifying as men.
In what way?
you could argue that trans men stand to gain a lot over natal women
How?

Male socialisation? Nope
Bigger, stronger body than a woman? Nope
Glamourised portrayals in media? Nope
Uber victim status? Nope

Plus they lose the relative safety of women's spaces and "gain" the danger and filth of the men's room!

Transmen don't gain anything out of this apart from whatever inner peace they get by transitioning. And as the recent rape case showed, they don't even get to opt out of men's violence by telling their attacker they are a man.

I don't know. If, as many on here argue, that men have all the privilege, then you could argue that trans men stand to gain a lot over natal women.

Except they don’t because men don't actually see them as men. Where are the high profile transmen in positions of power? Should be loads of them, right?

Is any transman actually insane enough to want to be sent to a male prison?

Some people believe in a flat earth. Others are creationists. We don't much bother negotiating those beliefs.

Not only that, I'm fairly sure we are not allowed to teach these ideas in schools at all, not even under a pretence of providing balance. And yet some children are currently being taught in school about gendered souls and that it is possible for humans to change sex.

Except they don’t because men don't actually see them as men. Where are the high profile transmen in positions of power? Should be loads of them, right?

Well, know. There will only be loads of them when there are loads of trans men surely?

Ah.

Sea bream or mackerel? Take your pick.

But to imagine that they instantly get conferred on them all the advantages of being born and growing up male, the socialisation telling they are in charge etc and the height, breadth etc of a born male is nonsense.

Yep. I believe transmen have more in common with women than men, on account of being born female. But transactivism obscures that fact, and I feel it also means the benefits of female-centred feminism don't reach transmen and non-binary females who might need it. Plus in trans spaces it looks like transmen are told they need to move over and focus on helping transwomen, because... the masculine gender identity of the female oppresses the feminine gender identity of the male?

The 2004 GRA has already been pushed from 'a tiny amount of fully transitioned transsexual women will be granted a legal fiction to get around some marriage and pension issues' to 'there's no such thing as biological women and women are no longer allowed any space or service or meeting away from men'. ANY ground given will be an immediate standing point for the next landgrab from women.

Exactly.

And anyone who thinks that women who identify as men and have the same advantage is either arguing for the sake of it (which a lot of men do, because they have the luxury to do it) or merely ignorant (which of course, a lot of men are, for the same reason).