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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Rosa Freedman served with court papers now.

102 replies

Yambabe · 02/02/2019 19:37

twitter.com/GoonerProf/status/1091775505886515205

No details given (yet) about what it's all about, but I have 2 guesses about who might be behind it.

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VeniceAllan · 06/08/2019 14:57

Definitely Venice here, no hack! I revived this thread because I wanted to find out if it was true that Freedman was served papers in February or, seeing as it was deleted and never mentioned again, if it was BS. Having been through this experience myself, I would find it incredibly offensive if someone made this up. Seeing her share a defamatory blog about me by a vicious, women-hating trans activist made me wonder if this were possible and I wondered if anyone had any info. Sorry if you think I'm an arsehole, fortunately I don't care.

MinnieTheSphinx · 06/08/2019 15:12

I would find it incredibly offensive if someone made this up

Probably not half as offended as Jean Hatchet after what you've been making up about her. Confused

Needmoresleep · 06/08/2019 15:14

Minnie, you really are the gift that keeps on giving...

JessicaWakefieldSV · 06/08/2019 15:30

aren’t they?

People are allowed not to like other people. I’ve seen a certain person use their illness as a way to lessen criticism of their behaviour, some of their behaviour I find very manipulative. However I still support their cause because I don’t need to like everything about a person to support the worthy cause they’re committed too.

Coyoacan · 06/08/2019 23:34

Ok, that is two times I've seen someone accusing two different people of claiming that Jean Hatchett's cancer is not true and each time I look on facebook and in google to find the reference and nothing.

The TRAs are out in force with their divide and conquer stuff. Means you ladies are advancing.

Interesting that it was eCursed who told Rosa Freedman that PP wanted to dox her. For an extremely gifted lawyer, Rosa is very gullible.

DoctorTwo · 07/08/2019 05:42

seeing as it was deleted

AFAIK Rosa has her tweets set to self delete after a certain amount of time. Probably for the best tbh, as arseholes can't trawl her timeline to report 'hate speech'.

Bespin · 07/08/2019 07:12

so did we get to the bottom of this have papers been served? also what is the issue with a GC person talking to a trans person int that the only way we are going to resolve this.

Floisme · 07/08/2019 07:44

I admire Rosa Freedman and, as far as I'm concerned, she can talk to anyone she wants. I do find it a little surprising that she doesn't seem to extend that rule to other people but then I don't believe everything I read on Twitter. Hell I don't even believe everything I read on here.

VeniceAllan · 07/08/2019 09:25

The tweet was deleted the same day it was posted, nothing to do with auto delete.

Freedman has tweeted several times that how CursedE has become a great friend of hers. It's not about talking to people, it's teaming up with one of the worst women haters on the internet to attack me and campaigners of outrageous and untrue allegations of doxxing, racism, violence and sexual harassment.

Pota2 · 07/08/2019 11:35

Coyoacan twitter.com/jenniebujold/status/1156927205710209024?s=21

I am not a TRA by the way. But VA did say that about Jean.

JessicaWakefieldSV · 07/08/2019 11:46

Look, I get why you want to focus on that comment and why you don’t like it.... especially if you have personal issues with the person who made the comment. However, if I am being completely honest, I do find it a bit strange riding a bike after a hysterectomy. That doesn’t make me a bad person either. I just know how major a hysterectomy is and what recovery is like, what is physically possible or recommended etc . If nothing else, it’s an extremely risky thing to do and as someone who donates to those rides, I wouldn’t want any woman doing that to herself.

Pota2 · 07/08/2019 11:46

Venice she has not said that CursedE is a great friend of hers. That is twisting her words. Anyway, which approach will move us forward- collaboration or stubborn refusal to give even an inch. Rosa had huge success showing a rational approach when giving evidence in Scotland. With actual results. Tell me what you have achieved again.

JessicaWakefieldSV · 07/08/2019 11:47

I think we should be careful of aligning with anyone who openly hates women.

bettybeans · 07/08/2019 11:51

Christ this stuff is ugly. Wouldn't it be a whole lot more productive and dignified to directly the contact the people you have issues with rather than resort to online mud-slinging? Allowing egos and personal shit to muddy the water isn't helping anyone or anything. It's so playground.

LangCleg · 07/08/2019 11:54

This thread should probably be deleted.

It's unbecoming: for all concerned.

Pota2 · 07/08/2019 11:56

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truthisarevolutionaryact · 07/08/2019 11:56

Well said bettybeans. This is playground behaviour, slagging other women off, making allegations and using this board as a platform to grandstand. Awful behaviour

BoreOfWhabylon · 07/08/2019 12:04

FFS. Take it elsewhere.

MNHQ should delete this thread, imo.

JessicaWakefieldSV · 07/08/2019 12:04

LangCleg I reported it and asked HQ to do so yesterday, they declined.

JessicaWakefieldSV · 07/08/2019 12:06

Pota2 I’m not answering that. I don’t know any of them personally. Their personal arguments should never have been brought here IMO.

Coyoacan · 07/08/2019 15:59

Well I, for one, shall continue to admire, follow and support Rosa Freedman, Jean Hatchett, Posie Parker and Venice Allan. They have each done way more for women's rights than I will ever do and they each have something interesting to bring to the table.

NewWomensMovement · 07/08/2019 17:36

Tell me what you have achieved again.

PfffffT!

Venice Allan put together We Need To Talk trying to bring people together to get this taboo discussed. TAs did all they could to scupper the meeting Bex Stinson from Stonewall totally dicked around and withdrew. Attendees were forced to meet at Speakers' Corner because of the harassment of venues who agreed to host the meeting into pulling out. It was at Speakers' Corner where Maria Mac was assaulted. This outrage led to the forming of A Woman's Place who have held (or assisted others' to hold) meetings up and down the country.

Venice Allan continued to hold WNTT meetings, same issue of harassment, etc and showed such exemplary courage in upholding her/our democratic rights, not buckling and instead outwitting her adversaries, she paved the way.

She was subjected to vexatious litigation as an attempt to shut her up and she never whinged in what must have been a stressful time, and instead came out of the proceedings in such a triumphant way it gave others a real shot in the arm.

In her meeting in Bristol's Jam Jar - no sneaking, or hiding - allowed different production companies to film, Stella O'Malley's documentary which showed the appalling TA behaviour was a game-changer.

NewWomensMovement · 07/08/2019 17:44

Public spats are not very pleasant. All of those who are made witnesses by social media can never really get to the bottom of it and know who did what. VA has her own justified reasons for not trusting certain other individuals but there is no way they can be communicated without it backfiring and making her look bad.

Needmoresleep · 07/08/2019 18:25

I'm with Coyocan.

I admire most if not all the women who have stood up to defend our rights.

I suspect I would find some hard to work with. I can forgive a lot given how stressful it must be to stick up for, and devote time and energy to something you believe in. I also respect the diversity of views and motivations.

I have no idea what Venice's issue is. It may be valid. It may not. Trouble is that this and previous threads where there is open disagreement, other posters seem to gleefully rush in almost as if they enjoy the ruckus.

I admire Venice for defending herself, both in court and out. I admire Rosa for leading a fightback for free GC speech on campus and for the work she did in Scotland. (Though not for her football allegiances.)

And back to the 'is Rosa being sued or not' court action seems really hard to follow from the outside. People often are constrained in what they can say. So Miranda suddenly pops up in court or a flying lawyer brags about some sort of win, which just seems to be a settlement with perhaps a non disclosure. Linda and Venice's victory, plus Miranda's, and the scope to use Crowd Justice to raise money, may well have encouraged settlements on other cases, which may have happened here.

I dunno. I'm quute old. I have been caught out too often making assumptions that have been wrong. Instead I am happy to sit back, note a couple of characters who are probably 'not my cup of tea', but be happy if they or others help shed light on the problems that Self ID would bring, and by doing so help women and girls.

NewWomensMovement · 07/08/2019 20:17

happy if they or others help shed light on the problems

Yes. I doubt anyone wants to have to 'take sides' because the important thing is that we all have the same ultimate end goal - to avoid the erosion of women's rights and to actually advance them.

Maybe though, we should spare a bit of extra compassion for those bold and frank pioneers who have been driven off of twitter and/or been the victims of vexatious litigation - Posie, Venice, Miranda, etc, who are being screenshot on one platform and shared, then badmouthed by stirrers where they have no right of reply. They each have more front than Selfridges and say they give no fucks, but I bet it is frustrating.