Article in Dundee Courier about assault of 10 year old girl in supermarket toilets

[howonearthdidwegethere]

The original article was very odd in that it completely avoiding naming the sex of the perpetrator. Well, guess what?

Never happens, of course.

www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/fife/819644/mum-of-supermarket-toilet-sex-assault-victim-warns-freed-attacker-could-strike-again/?fbclid=IwAR1BjeZ0GLBEa4iRDzUXAABAzAkHHl3HBdfac2NqBfN-JyKO6GYyw1l1FcY

[GrinitchSpinach]

Argh restrict not restart, autocorrect.

[MinecraftHolmes]

Same here Macaroon. One of them is my local, the other one I pop into on a semi-regular basis if I'm in the other town.

[OlennasWimple]

It never happens. Never.

And then it does, again and again and again.

Incidentally, there is nothing in what has happened here to prevent this offender from applying successfully for a GRC. There is no filter in the GRC application process to weed out those who are a demonstrable threat to women and girls.

[GrinitchSpinach]

Olenna, why are you trying to paint ALL trans people with such a broad brush? /s

[Angryresister]

Grinitch...how do we tell the difference?

[GrinitchSpinach]

AngryI mean, yes, exactly! I can't tell whether you spotted the snark tag or not?

[OtepotiLilliane42]

Precisely Angryresister This is what I wrote on a website petitioning the NZ parliament to reconsider passing Self ID as it needed to be assessed first for risks to girls and women.

"This is bad legislation. Women in our society need safe and protected spaces, and if this law passes they will lose them. If an obvious man enters a women's toilet and claims he has a right to be there because he 'self identifies' as a woman what is the legal right of a woman who asks him to leave because she is unsure of his intentions? Could she be arrested for a 'hate crime'?
The problem is knowing that unscrupulous men could use the 'self-identify' provision as a Trojan Horse to attack women and girls in what should be protected spaces, such as toilets, women's refuges and hostels, women only swimming pools etc. It has made me very angry that women have been attacked and vilified for even raising their concerns about the possible unintended consequences of this legislation. Why should we women have the burden of second guessing the intentions of every man who demands entry into a space that should clearly be ours?
Common sense really needs to be applied here. Women who have issues with this proposed legislation do not hate trans gender people, nor would they want them to be discriminated against in terms of their ability to live a full life in their communities, as is pointed out in the preamble to this submission."

And similiar points were made by many of the people who signed the petition.

[OtepotiLilliane42]

I posted before seeing the snark comment GrinitchSpinach!

But according to that Bristol Uni sign re toilets on another thread we just have to trust that the gentleman in the ladies is a totally benign visitor!

[Gingerkittykat]

Polmont is a male young offenders institution, so the offender is male.

I remember reading about this story before (one of the supermarkets is the one I use) and was confused about this story because I seemed to remember the offender was male.

I did a bit of digging and found this link

www.pressreader.com/uk/the-courier-advertiser-fife-edition/20180808/281913068934531

The girl describes a 'crazy man with long hair'

[R0wantrees]

I remember reading about this story before (one of the supermarkets is the one I use) and was confused about this story because I seemed to remember the offender was male.

Thread here:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3329936-teen-films-girl-in-toilet

[SonicVersusGynaephobia]

That girl and her mother are brave as fuck.

They are incredible. Both of them.

[Gingerkittykat]

@ROwantrees

I am fairly new to mumsnet, it was another local paper I read about the story (Dunfermline Press after the first offence, oddly the story has now disappeared from their site)

[R0wantrees]

it was another local paper I read about the story (Dunfermline Press after the first offence, oddly the story has now disappeared from their site

Gingerkittykat
That's odd.
There may have been issues due to some of the reporting restrictions as both the victims and perpetrator were under 18?
If its your local paper you could always ask as it will have been preserved from print copy even if deleted from website.

[Gingerkittykat]

Generally reporting restricitons and naming the perp is 16 here, the victim is of course never named.

[R0wantrees]

As well as the horrific impact on the two girls and their families, the need for the local community to be protected, it raises really important wider issues.

It would be interesting to know why the Dumfermline Press withdrew the article from its website.

[EweSurname]

Fucking hell, look where they're placing the violent sex offender

Warning after transgender sex offender placed in women’s hostel

www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/fife/832849/warning-as-transgender-sex-offender-placed-in-womens-hostel/amp/

[feministfairy]

Just another paedophile / sex offender placed with vulnerable women. Please remember this never happens and add it to the lengthy list of when it has happened.

[IDoN0tCare]

It’s s ducking joke! There is already evidence that half of the transwomen in jail are sex offenders, women in jail have been sexually attacked by transwomen that have been permitted into those female jails, but yet again another sex offending transwoman prisoner has been placed with vulnerable women. Those in power really really hate women, don’t they!

[QuietContraryMary]

It says it is a hostel for female offenders, and Fife Council are responsible for the placement, and claim it was in line with national policy guidelines.

[RockyFlintstone]

Don't tar all trans people with the same brush.

Acceptance without exception.

If she says she is a woman then she is one and if you don't like it then tough shit, better to be put at risk and put others at risk than to be a transphobe.

Super.....

[RockyFlintstone]

Wait...

It does seem that the likes of Tara Hewitt who literally is paid by the NHS to promote bondage to Macmillan Cancer patients

Whaaaaaat?????!!!

[IfNotNowThenWhy]

One resident in the unit for homeless offenders said: “This is a women’s hostel and it’s all women who work here. I feel sick and can’t stop thinking about what [she] has done.”

So..the resident likely said "he" and it had to be edited out??
The whole article is she may be a danger to other children, she may reoffend etc
I'm just gobsmacked at how we are all supposed to LIE about one incredibly important detail!
A young man assaulted a child in a supermarket toilet. And now he is housed with vulnerable women (and presumably children).
This is fucked.

[Popchyk]

Police Scotland state that 4157 registered sex offenders are in the community. A further 1469 are in prison/hospital.

www.scotland.police.uk/about-us/police-scotland/specialistcrime-division/national-offender-management-unit-new/registered-sex-offender-numbers

The vast majority of those will be male (although people like "Katie" are counted as female by the system). Let's say that 4000 of this 4157 are actually male.

If only 2% of Scotland's male sex offender population choose to identify as female, this makes 800 male sex offenders in the community in Scotland who can choose to go to a women's refuge if they want.

Be interesting to see how many women's refuge places there are in Scotland. And how easily they will cope with the influx.

[LangCleg]

Fair Play For Women on probation hostels:

fairplayforwomen.com/impact-gra-reform-community-probation-hostels-safety-concerns-women-residents-local-community/

It's talking about England and Wales rather than Scotland but the proportions and principles will be the same.

There are only 6 women’s hostels providing a total of 112 beds (compared to 95 men’s hostels with 2100 beds).

Accommodating an additional 55 high risk in women’s probation hostels would significantly change the offender profile of the hostels. The relatively small population of 112 women in probation hostels would increase by almost 50%. There would be one for every two biological women.

(* = term banned on FWR but means not adult human female)

[Popchyk]

"Fife Council said it did not have a specific policy for housing transgender people but had a duty to accommodate offenders.

This, it said, was done in line with national policy and through the Multi-Agency Public Protection Arrangement (MAPPA) with police, NHS Fife and the Scottish Prison Service.

"A spokesperson said: “Each situation is subject to individual consideration and specific assessment. In situations like these the assessment and planning is carefully undertaken on an inter-agency basis.

“We all use the national accommodation strategy for sex offenders and through this process levels of risk are carefully assessed, risk management strategies are put in place and on-going monitoring is undertaken.”

So an inter-agency team carefully assessed this person and put them in a women's hostel anyway? So it is actual standard policy to place male convicted sex offenders in women's hostels?

I wonder what would ever lead the authorities to say no to a man who wants access to vulnerable women. Genocide maybe?

I will dig for some stats later regarding:

• total number of women's refuge places in Scotland
  

• total number of women's places in women's hostels for ex-offenders
  

Don't have time at the moment.