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The Herald - Trans guidance for Scottish schools breaches 11 children's rights campaigners warn

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TensionWheelsCoolHeels · 30/01/2019 00:39

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/17393697.trans-guidance-for-scottish-schools-breaches-11-childrens-rights-campaigners-warn/

Shock

I'm off to find the Impact Assessment...

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CreakyBlinder · 31/01/2019 10:56

I've just spent the morning poring over this and noting down some of the key points.

I'm so dismayed and disheartened all over again by it all.

The facts - and utter steamrollering of the safety of girls - just make your jaw drop all over again don't they.

How the fuck did this ever come to pass. Sad

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 31/01/2019 11:26

How the fuck did this ever come to pass

Having dodgy people in power.

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 31/01/2019 11:26

Also turning a blind eye as this was building.

Lipstuck · 31/01/2019 11:35

So in that article, the children’s commissioner says that there are concerns about the guidance and that it needs further work.

How can the commissioner continue to endorse it then?

CreakyBlinder · 31/01/2019 20:51

Glad to report that my kids schools sexual health programme has been reworked because we're (apparently) in an area of high teen pregnancy. No unisex toilets YET. Got my beady eye on things though.

SonicVersusGynaephobia · 01/02/2019 08:57

How the fuck did this ever come to pass.

Rosa Freedman made a very good point last night at the For Women Scotland meeting in Edinburgh that the reason this came to pass is that public bodies are so cash strapped, that they don't have the time/money to do assessments etc anymore (or they prioritised spending on other things). So when Stonewall/LGBT Youth Scotland/Scottish Trans Alliance (who are very well funded) turn up saying "we can do this for you, we can write your guidance, we are experts in this. Look! we even have a stamp of approval from the Scottish Gov, so you can trust us" they bite their hands off. Nobody is looking at it critically, so it all just gets waved through as an easy win.

Then it's left to unfunded women's groups to spot the dangers, organise, pull together an extremely comprehensive Impact Assessment and try and reverse the changes which are causing harm to women and girls (who were never considered by anyone before) and get people to listen (when these people now have a vested interest in not listening and ignoring these issues).

And I say again women's groups are having to do this all with NO FUNDING.

WH1SPERS · 01/02/2019 10:26

I agree Sonic. But it’s all the stages before that.

How have one of two individual got into such a position of power, so that their organisations get so much tax payers money .

Then they get the Scottish Goverment to endorse their publications and training programmes ( which we, the tax payers ) have paid for.

Then an Equalities Officer at the Council sends all Head Teachers a memo saying they need to do something to tick the equality box, and here’s a handy pack.

I don’t think it’s fair to blame individual head teachers for not doing due diligence .

The problem is right at the top.

teawamutu · 01/02/2019 11:11

Finally made it into the Grauniad, although I note they give the first half of the article to TRAs Hmm:
[[Scottish feminist group says transgender laws risk women's rights

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/feb/01/activists-in-scotland-disagree-about-transgender-legislation?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard]]

Oxytocindeficient · 01/02/2019 11:16

Course they do! What a shit rag that is!

Lolasaurous · 15/02/2019 03:00

I will read tomorrow

NeurotrashWarrior · 15/02/2019 19:12

How the fuck did this ever come to pass.

So many things are outsourced now it's quite scary. In the past the LEAs had tight control over what was cascaded down to schools. They had advisors who were previously teachers who delivered lots of training. This still happens a bit, ironically mainly very key things such as safeguarding and ofsted stuff, but much less for wider curriculum things so any freebies are lapped up.

I'm also seeing young teachers leading on things they've not had a huge amount of training on. (Also not always great on their subject knowledge) It's encouraged as part of professional development and performance related pay; some of it though can be self taught, what they've come across etc. So for example, if they're putting together a scheme of work for PSHE and they find something pre made that gives a load of lesson plans they'll lap it up.

Things like the EA also can come top down from the LEA if the council has a wider agenda so obviously they'll look for materials to deliver this effectively. Esp regarding radicalisation and homophobia.

Under the previous national curriculum, the government produced schemes of work that delivered all the key objectives in the Nat curriculum. Slowly schools improved on these as they could be a bit dry, but were produced as not all teachers are experts in all subjects. They were always there as back up or to fall back on.

Most of this was ditched with the new curriculum a few years ago and many schools were left floundering. Adding in things like British values and diversity and the EA etc, teachers take what they can.

Schools love collecting badges too (helps tick off things for ofsted) so a badge for stonewall etc looks great.

IMHO its a free for all for who ever wants to shout the loudest. The SRE was supposedly being updated but I've not heard much and I think fucking Brexit has fucked up a lot of real thought in so many of these areas.

Safeguarding is the strongest thing we have and the area we must keep pointing out is being completely flounced.

ChickenonaMug · 15/02/2019 21:38

Thank you Neurotrash, that is very interesting.

scotsheather · 18/02/2019 16:28

Covered on STV news today, albeit briefly. Just images from a Pride march and a young woman saying how great it is they can be open about being trans now.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 18/02/2019 19:13

STV news are starting to take an interest in 'LGBT Youth Scotlands' trans propaganda.
They'll be talking about them again on #ScotlandTonight at 10:40 #STV t.co/IXuATSrYDD

The Herald - Trans guidance for Scottish schools breaches 11 children's rights campaigners warn
BlahXXBlah · 18/02/2019 21:02

Be watching with interest.

littlbrowndog · 18/02/2019 21:06

STV only ones that cover this
Bbc Scotland can’t give 2 flying fecker about women and girls

littlbrowndog · 18/02/2019 21:07

There was a woman fron forewoman on the stv she did a good job

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 18/02/2019 21:41

School transgender guidelines will not be reviewed

A Scottish Government spokesperson said the guidance had the full support of ministers.

They added: "Scotland is on its way to becoming the first country in the world to have lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) inclusive education embedded in the curriculum. Our education system must support everyone to reach their full potential and it is vital that the curriculum is as diverse as the young people who learn in our schools.

"As this is not a Scottish Government publication, it would be inappropriate for the Scottish Government to undertake any review. The guidance is one of a range of tools available to schools and education authorities in their support for transgender pupils."

stv.tv/amp/1435632-school-transgender-guidelines-will-not-be-reviewed/?__twitter_impression=true

BlahXXBlah · 18/02/2019 21:57

Right then, time to get some letters written.

Scottish Gvt seems fond of forgetting the job - representing the will of the people, all of them.

BlahXXBlah · 18/02/2019 23:06

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BetsyM00 · 18/02/2019 23:15

Getting a bit confusing with all the Scottish groups - but this work was done by the marvellous Women and Girls in Scotland. Their impact assessment is at wgscotland.org.uk/.

BlahXXBlah · 18/02/2019 23:17

Women and Girls in Scotland

For Women Scotland

Star Star Star Star Star Star Star

I was just trying to find the link to watch the report but it isn't online yet, here is the page it should show up on...

player.stv.tv/episode/3r3b/scotland-tonight/

BlahXXBlah · 18/02/2019 23:20

Maren made the excellent point that the guidelines would be pretty hard for a head teacher to ignore given the Scottish government stamp on the front!

The presenter repeated the point that the Children's Commissioner wants answers.

Really good progress.

littlbrowndog · 18/02/2019 23:26

Yes stv just had a woman on talking
I think that was maren
Yes she said the doucument had sg stamped on front hardfor teachers to ignor3

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