Jean Hatchet, new blog post

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jeanhatchet.blogspot.com/2019/01/why-i-wont-be-standing-up-for-women.html

This blog post from Jean is eye-opening. Working alongside anti-abortion, hard right groups undermines decades of feminism.

Shame on Posie. I agree with Jean, I will also be sitting down for women.

It's a conundrum that to stop the right one may have to work with the right.

Indeed. And not entirely unapplicable to the UK - if any of the Witchfinder Generals hunting Posie Parker would pay attention to what she is actually saying about Tommy Robinson, it's pretty much that: if you don't want to create gaping holes that will be filled by a far right backlash, you might have to abandon tribal identities for a while.

I've only been posting on here less than a year. I've never given a thought to not being "welcomed".

if you don't want to create gaping holes that will be filled by a far right backlash, you might have to abandon tribal identities for a while.

Couldn’t agree more.

I hate the phrase "safe space" these days. It implies molly-coddling supposedly delicate souls who can't possibly bear to have anything in their world view challenged.

Without challenge, how are we going to grow? We must be willing to examine our world view and accept we might need to re-think some things.

One of the reasons why this thread is so amazing, actually. Real people, having hard conversations, challenging each other and coming to a greater understanding of the world. What's not to like!

And I name change all the time. Or am I brand new?

Nobody cares.

I am now filled with shame because I’ve not been nice on Mumsnet

That would make a great T-shirt

floisme

The female socialisation in me is strong

But mainly on here...ive no idea why

I get all angry and then i think....ah that was a bit mean

werise

So would

I am now filled with shame because I’ve been nice on Mumsnet

I think they both work

Real people, having hard conversations, challenging each other and coming to a greater understanding of the world. What's not to like!

Exactly! Don't be a wimp! No one died of mumsnet yet, but a fair few have got stronger and wiser.

I think they both work

The female socialisation in me is strong. But mainly on here...ive no idea why. I get all angry and then i think....ah that was a bit mean

Not necessarily female socialisation. It just means you’re a decent person with empathy.

I dunno. Blokes don't do it.

However the female socialisation does make women only space nice. No honking, entitled blokes blundering around.

However the female socialisation does make women only space nice. No honking, entitled blokes blundering around.

I dunno about that, there are a few who love to splain to the feminists why rape doesn't really happen/the sex industry is empowering/we're all so mean not to want to shower random cocks.

Yeah sometimes. But it is less annoying if it's a woman saying it. The female socialisation is annoying in that some lecture other women on being obliged to be nice to men by giving up our rights, since our boundaries sometimes hurt their feelings.

So it's been quite the weekend reading these two threads. I disagree with the person who said it's not MN Uni- it is to me I've learned so much!
So we've read, discussed, considered... some of us have come to new conclusions on things we may not even have thought of before. The thread was criticised saying the time could have been better spent. I don't agree, it's been a thought process and a useful one.
Still the question raised in the inspiring video is- what are we going to do?
I'm going to contact my horrid, pro hunt, Cons MP and try to turn him GC. If he'll help, I'll vote for him He'll win anyway so I may as well try.
If anyone else has any actions to share, maybe we can inspire each other!?

I don't want people on here to be nice to me or welcome me. I can get that from my mum, who always has the kettle on. I want the women on here to be fighting and screaming at what is happening.

Not sure about the screaming bit, myself. Screaming turns most people right off, and then your point is lost. Also, just being on here is not going to change anything, by itself. Alliances need to be formed, and people welcomed to the cause. The general public does not read Mumsnet, and most people are excluded from individualised twitter circles - because their very nature is exclusive.

I do see this all taking place in a little bubble. Mumsnet and Twitter.

Explains why I had no idea about any of this trans stuff at all, until recently; because, like most people, I haven't ever looked at Mumsnet and don't use Twitter.

I think I'll stick to my local Re-sisters group for comradeship and actual action. This board can be informative, though, within its own terms. Society does seem to be fragmenting, with isolated and unconnected circles of interest, which rarely inter-sect.There is a very big job ahead to create an actual debate about transgenderism, out there in the public eye where it really matters.

The general public does not read Mumsnet

So 12 million users? What is your definition of the "general public"?

11 million uses! That's amazing. Any idea how many are on FWR?

So 12 million users? What is your definition of the "general public"?

People like myself, and also those not like myself, I guess. Nobody I know looks at Mumsnet. I'm in my 50's now and have been involved in women's and other political/cultural/spiritual issues all of my life. I've never before even been tempted to look at Mumsnet. I was led to this particular board because of the trans issue, and it has been informative, certainly.

If the general public was reading this board in huge numbers, then more people would be aware of what is going on around transgenderism, but they aren't aware, because they don't read it.

Having taken a look at some of the other boards on here, many are about domestic matters of various sorts, along with rather a lot of trivia. I imagine that most Mumsnetters are looking at those threads, not this one.

IIRC, when MNHQ gave us the figures a few months ago, FWR has about 150k unique users looking per month? I might be wrong. Pretty sure also board traffic to FWR went up 12 fold between 2017 and 2018.

Nobody I know looks at Mumsnet. I'm in my 50's now and have been involved in women's and other political/cultural/spiritual issues all of my life. I've never before even been tempted to look at Mumsnet.

So perhaps it's a good thing you got out of your bubble? The more the merrier, right? And I'm not sure why all activity isn't equally welcomed. Particularly if you're right and MN FWR gets read by people who aren't often part of on the ground feminist activism?

I do see this all taking place in a little bubble. Mumsnet and Twitter.
Not really. But normal conversations aren't particularly political so it's harder to bring it up that often.
I've not had anyone disagree with me in real life yet, which just reinforces my belief that exposure is the key.
Hence billboards and morning telly over ideological purity.

IIRC, when MNHQ gave us the figures a few months ago, FWR has about 150k unique users looking per month? I might be wrong. Pretty sure also board traffic to FWR went up 12 fold between 2017 and 2018.

I suspect that very specific actions such as those by the Liverpool Resisters ( & Posie) drew a lot of people here, last year. That was certainly the case for me.

If people aren't used to forums in general that would explain why they find this one a bit bracing - not aware that that's how most forums work, really.