Lotl magazine: “What Do We Do About Women With A Penis

[AnyOldPrion]

www.lotl.com/Lifestyle/What-Do-We-Do-About-Women-With-A-Penis-2536/

Shocking article about “reeducating” rape victims to accept penis.

Written, of course by a TW who claims to have “agonised” over the question of whether TW should be allowed in women’s most intimate events. I imagine the agonising was along the lines of how to make a suitable case that’ll allow penises in.

I can't read to the end of that article.

In my 48 years as a woman on this planet - a woman who recognises that a penis is a penis is a penis - I came to realise a long time ago, that men will do just about anything to come into contact with women in various states of undress. Our whole bloody patriarchal culture is based around it ffs, porn is based on it, everything from the little boys at primary trying to peek at little girl's knickers, to men at business lunches in strip clubs, is based on it.

I still didn't foresee this. They can just STOP trying to gaslight us that penises should be able to come anywhere near women-only spaces

Quite often, the impression I get from TW is that they’re ‘feel like a woman’ is actually, ‘feel like the projected idea of women’

How can it be anything else?
I don't know how it feels to be another man. Why would a woman know how it feels to be another woman?
We assume that we must (typically) feel similar to other men or women, but we can't know for certain. All we really know is 'self'.

Seems to me the don't much like feeling as they do, but like something they see in a particular woman, or subset of women, and convince themselves that the feelings they have match how such a woman would feel - ergo, the feel like their idealised interpretation of how their idealised woman would feel!

I'm not Eric Clapton, but I love guitar. It would be very easy of me, especially as a young man, to convince myself I'm secretly more like him than I am myself... because I'd rather be him than me (having idealised how amazing it must be to be him).

If people around me are also saying 'you have talent, you're just in the wrong body to fully realise it... you can take a drug, or have an op to realise that dream' - then it's going to be very persuasive.

Cassie captures it completely at the end pointing out that the whole article is irrelevant if you don't believe TWAW.

Most people think being pro-trans is like let's just be nice to the gay castrated man with big mental health problems who think's he's a woman. When they learn about lady penis and lesbian TW and being an actual woman being the norm they start objecting to TWAW. Yes, some people stick with the lunacy but not many from what I'm seeing in real life. Men are especially harsh when judging other men's motivations for getting their dicks out around women.

So much wrong with this it's difficult to know where to start... The article seems very familiar though, has it been published before somewhere else?

Also depressing to note the author runs workshops on consent and boundaries.

They can just STOP trying to gaslight us that penises should be able to come anywhere near women-only spaces

This.

I'm getting less and less willing to conform to 'chosen' pronouns because of this, I'm getting very uncomfortable about it, because that little step towards pretending men can be women if they want to be has opened the door to nutjobbery like this. Where a male has 'agonised' over whether or not women should be permitted boundaries, consent and privacy, and not only feels they're entitled to be the judge of this but also that women should respect their decision. No, having a penis is not a 'disability' ffs. A TW penis is no different from the penis of the men that everyone is perfectly happy to exclude from women's spaces. The subjective internal perceptions of the TW in no way affects the objective experience of women having to deal with a male who wishes to get his bits out in their presence.

This individual has a major problem, and it isn't women refusing to enable them.

This article about wanting to be in women's spaces isn't about wanting to be in women's spaces though, is it? It's about wanting to be in naked women's spaces.

Men are especially harsh when judging other men's motivations for getting their dicks out around women.

Damn right. We know what goes on in men's heads and suspect any intact males intentions. If they aren't gay you would not convince any bloke that their desire to enter women's space wasn't malign.

a male has 'agonised' over whether or not women should be permitted boundaries, consent and privacy, and not only feels they're entitled to be the judge of this but also that women should respect their decision

Thank you for expressing it so clearly.

The fact I haven't seen anybody else mention, is what specific circumstances they're actually talking about.

A "Sex positive facilitator" who has a penis wants to run a workshop for people who have a vagina, to honour their vagina, womb and vulva, involving nudity and "self exploration" aka let's all get naked and wank and pretend it's soo enlightened

It's a Sacred Yoni ceremony. It's not for penises, it's specifically for vaginas, volvas and wombs.

Tantra and sacred sexuality run zillions of events where people with penises and vaginas can be naked together honouring their Yonis and Penises and wanking. But that's not what this TW is even considering. The cynic in me suggests that's because that's not controversial enough.

The cynic in me suggests that's because that's not controversial enough.

It may quite possibly be that. My inner cynic is screaming that yet again this might be about validation OR that it’s simply another occasion when women are to be denied anything on their own ever as TW must have access to everything.

To complement the OP. Read this and have a rage stroke.

https://medium.com/@jennifer.waring.hansung/why-sexual-assault-is-not-an-excuse-for-transphobia-a-response-to-gender-critical-feminists-74a0d26b1f8a

Teaser quote for you:

A person acknowledging that they have issues surrounding male perceived genitalia because of sexual assault is not transphobic. Acknowledging a fear of trans-women in cis only female spaces because of this is not transphobic. The assumption that this fear extends beyond genitalia to a transperson themselves is. I have yet to meet a trans woman who is toxically masculine.

So as long as the penis isn't attached to the body, it's ok for us to fear it?

Yup ToetoToe the male urge to see women naked. I think it is far more powerful than the female urge to see men naked, though I'll accept if other women think I'm wrong there. I think I used to underestimate this in the trans debate too - the poweful sexual motivation to validate AGP with this insane ideology that TWAW. They will trample our rights into the ground and gaslight and lie, lie, lie to fuel their sexual fetish.

The assumption that this fear extends beyond genitalia to a transperson themselves is.

Erm, what a fucking moron.
Women don't fear the penis, they fear the idiot who owns it who invariable happens to have precisely the same sex as a transwoman.

Precis of the recent linked article.

Transphobic
Transphobic
Transphobic
Transphobic
Repeat until you repent

”I genuinely wanted to try to console them and explain why their fears were misguided”

Yup. They’re misguided. It couldn’t possibly be you.

This question is based on a false a parallel between men and trans women. A feeling that they have some inherent similarities, and worse, more similarities than trans women and cis women, because of their physical body, especially their genitalia. Most trans women have also been oppressed by the patriarchy because of some of the same external feminine characteristics that cis women possess. They are not and have never been a part of the patriarchy in the way ‘gender critical feminists’ might imagine.

D’oh! Yup, Rachel M, Caitlin J, Kellie M...in fact any late transitioning AGP. None have EVER been part of the patriarchy, No sirreee.... oops... No maaaaaaaaam.

They are not and have never been a part of the patriarchy

Other than by birth... like all of us men.
You don't earn the benefits of patriarchy, you're given them at birth.

And some lesbians might not want to date trans women because they’re thinking about long-term commitment, and children. Trans women can’t give birth to children

Actually, the children thing is perhaps the one benefit to a sexual relationship with a transwoman for lesbian who wants children. As in, assuming that they are one of the 80% who still has all their bits and there are no other problems, they can indeed make a baby, what with being a heterosexual couple and all

I have yet to meet a trans woman who is toxically masculine.

So is Karen White "toxically masculine"? On one hand they committed a strong of horrific, male pattern crimes; on the other they did wear a dress and a wig

Hmm.... Who can decide? It's a tough one, that's for sure

I expect she'd #notruetrans Karen.

This question is based on a false a parallel between men and trans women. A feeling that they have some inherent similarities,

Bloody hell. The wheels have come right off the delusionality now.

This woman must have to be in a permanent state of cognitive dissonance to be able to maintain her "lesbian" relationship.

Some of the women in the circle could be survivors of rape or sexual assault. So, it is really important to start by openly acknowledging that history, and that symbology. And by directly addressing those concerns.

Riiight. So, in order for me to accept the penis on the non female person in a group of adult human females, I have to disclose intimate information about myself, such as the abuse I suffered at the hands of my father, while this person presumably gets their kicks from the mental images that brings up?

So. I have a response to that idea.

No.

God forbid!!!! An old lady in the changing room, a fat lady in the chaining room.....should be banned. Let the bollocks in the changing room and ban less-than-perfect women's bodies.

Good fucking grief. That last Medium article. I'm going to have to box my own ears to get the buillshit out. What a twat.

Has anyone mentioned yet the retreat where the women stand in a group and touch each other's genitals? Am I the only one who was unaware of the existence of such retreats? Must ask my gal pals if they'd be up for one of those.