Lotl magazine: “What Do We Do About Women With A Penis

[AnyOldPrion]

www.lotl.com/Lifestyle/What-Do-We-Do-About-Women-With-A-Penis-2536/

Shocking article about “reeducating” rape victims to accept penis.

Written, of course by a TW who claims to have “agonised” over the question of whether TW should be allowed in women’s most intimate events. I imagine the agonising was along the lines of how to make a suitable case that’ll allow penises in.

[BernardBlacksWineIcelolly]

mmm

casis favoured us with a visit the last time cassie trotted out a version of this BS.

I got my only strike to date as I allowed my fury at cassie's gaslighting of cassie's children by forcing them to call cassie 'mom' to get the better of me.

[TornFromTheInside]

Brighter by name, but not by nature.

Seemingly the same with her sex... woman by name, but not by nature

[Badstyley]

For people who claim to be women, they don’t half spend a lot of time talking about their genitals, especially those who identify as lesbians.

Oh how I miss all the old lesbian (female only) meet ups, where we sat round drinking tea and talking about our vags And coming up with long strings of descriptors for our sexual potency... oh wait, no, I must be misremembering.

[Knicknackpaddyflak]

All of this is predicated, of course, on the basic premise that trans women are women. For some, this is an easy concept to embrace. For some others it’s a point of debate. For others still, it’s unfathomable. The author of this article aims for dialogue with the first two groups – with the sad understanding that the third group will reject most of her premises.


Yup. And the third group cannot be stripped of their right to privacy, dignity, to not share in a quasi religious belief, and to not be compelled to participate in a lie, in order to facilitate males who would really like to be believed to be women.


The entitlement and the superiority is quite baffling. The writer doesn't really believe women are quite human.

[Qcng]

Yeah, I thought the cotton ceiling didn't exist. Didn't wassername head honcho of Stonewall categorically refuse to accept any lesbians anywhere were being pressured to accept penis? Despite many (actual, female) lesbians writing to her describing their experiences of this?

The AWA are constantly brushing this away as myth, never happens, you're scaremongering and obviously completely transphobic too, if you talk about how lesbians are being at the very least being guilt-tripped about their sexuality, and at worst actually punched (it happened in the US) and abused for turning down penis.

[AngryAttackKittens]

Oh how I miss all the old lesbian (female only) meet ups, where we sat round drinking tea and talking about our vags And coming up with long strings of descriptors for our sexual potency... oh wait, no, I must be misremembering.

To me these sorts of articles read as a male lament about how sad and unfair it is to be denied access to the sort of expensive quasi hippie retreat at which exceptionally slim, toned white women do yoga in the woods before engaging in some sort of GOOP esque steam your own vagina with organic herbs and then insert your magical yoni egg event. Sort of an updated version of the old male fantasy about women having sexy pillow fights at slumber parties.

[JSmitty]

To the tune of 'What Shall We Do With The Drunken Sailor?

What Do We Do About The Woman With A Penis?
What Do We Do About The Woman With A Penis?
What Do We Do About The Woman With A Penis?
Earlye in the morning?

(Hoo-ray and up she rises?)

[BernardBlacksWineIcelolly]

What Do We Do About The Woman With A Penis?
What Do We Do About The Woman With A Penis?
What Do We Do About The Woman With A Penis?
Earlye in the morning?

Put them in a boat until they acknowledge biological reality
Put them in a boat until they acknowledge biological reality

etc

[AngryAttackKittens]

It's a bit like "what do you do about the sharks with laser beams on their heads", isn't it? Nothing, cause they don't exist.

[ErrolTheDragon]

'Women with a penis' presumably can drink their tea from Russell's teapot.

[TornFromTheInside]

I consider myself pretty open minded, liberal, and have no issues trying to accommodate trans in society. I might be wrong, but I'd like to think I'm a reasonable bloke, reasonable intelligence and fairly rational, but they can't persuade me.
I suspect there are lots of other men who haven't been persuaded either, but haven't taken much of an interest in the topic. Most of the men I know fall into one of two camps:

1. The TWAW camp - because it's 'right' to acknowledge them as women. When I've asked them about this, it almost always to 'do the right' thing by them e.g. decent blokes who don't want to offend so go along with it. They are NOT declaring them to be actual women per se, just backing what they believe to be 'accepting trans people'.
   
   
2. The crude 'Blokes in drag bollocks' camp - this lot are usually the sexist ones too and tend to be the ones who'll make sexual comments frequently.
   
   The second group stand no chance of changing their views, whilst the first group do. The first group just tend not to have thought about all the consequences of 'TWAW'. As soon as you discuss it in depth, they come to the same conclusions that most here have - they want to accept them, and do the right thing by them, but they are not actual women - thus there needs to be limits. Quite what those limits are is a matter of opinion, but amongst my friends, I've yet to meet a single man who thinks they should 100% unfettered access to every woman's place, or 100% ability to hide their true sex (i.e. for medical reasons, they should have to declare their true sex).
   
   This (in part) is probably why they don't spend their time trying to persuade men.

[WeRiseUp]

That article in the op is so creepy I just couldnt read it. I would have started dry retching if I continued.

Bleuuuugh.

[WeRiseUp]

After my failed attempt to read the article, I am now reading the thread backwards. I love you lot!

[FloralBunting]

I can still never get over the fevered defence of the 'cotton ceiling' ideas that says "We're not saying you have to sleep with a transwoman. We just want you to reflect on your prejudices if you won't even consider it."

Like they think it's unacceptable to actively force sex, but wheedling coercion because you're a bigot if you don't at least think about it is fine.

Cassie, you know shit about consent and boundaries.

[AngryAttackKittens]

And which sex do we associated wheedling sexual coercion with? Hint - it's not the one that tends to go on yoni retreats.

[TornFromTheInside]

It's also assuming that 'no' isn't a considered response.
It is.

[WeRiseUp]

A person with a penis who wants to wank in front of 19 women at a ‘women only’ event doesn’t sound like a person with a docile, patient, hesitant sexuality.

Sounds like a bloke.

[Emerencealwayshopeful]

I feel terrible that women might be ‘shocked’ to see a wheelchair and wheelchair user in a change room.

I want the shocks I cause to be for something beyond daring to exist in public.

[AngryAttackKittens]

That part made me think birds of a feather flock together. Of course Cassie has horrible friends.

(Assuming these are actual people and not The Lurkers Support Me In Email.)

[AnyOldPrion]

That article in the op is so creepy I just couldnt read it. I would have started dry retching if I continued.

I must heartily apologise WeRise. I quite forgot to put a Sanity Health Warning in my OP.

[CandleConcerto]

This does read like a deluded male fantasy of what women are like. Quite often, the impression I get from TW is that they’re ‘feel like a woman’ is actually, ‘feel like the projected idea of women’ - as perpetuated by pornography, men and media. Because no one really wants to hear what the real female experience is like. It’s such a naive movement. It’s a falsehood.

[CandleConcerto]

Sorry, *their.