Drag queens pose in bond age gear for calendar in aid of Mermaids

[JoanSummers]

I'm not sure if this has been posted?

"A local drag community in Newcastle have come together in style to create a one-of-a-kind 2019 calendar, with all proceeds going to charity to support transgender children and young people across the UK."

The February and March photos are attached.

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6577301/Drag-queens-pose-glamorous-calendar.html

It’s about boundary erosion Bowl is so right.

Coercive control is about eroding a woman's boundaries. A paedophile erodes a child's boundaries. Abusive men don't respect boundaries. Bullies erode boundaries. Men wearing bondage gear, looking at porn and wearing grotesque "womanface" being placed in front of a primary child erodes that child's boundaries of personal safety.

FlyingOink, agreed, but yes, and some of us have been talking for some time about the impact that this kind of behaviour will have on certain sections of society that have nothing to do with the core aims of it.

FlyingOink
I understand your concerns and I don't believe that all gay men are part of a "paedo vanguard". But this 'acceptance without exception' promoted by Stonewall is part of the problem. And we now have countless examples of the predators using this as cover for their respectability - as British Airways discovered:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6143783/British-Airways-hires-convicted-paedophile-drag-queen-Gay-Pride-celebrations.html

There really is no good reason to expose kids to drag.
Agreed

Stephen Wood/David Thompson/Karen White, paedophile and serial rapist convicted in 2018, worked as a drag performer apparently.

www.theguardian.com/society/2018/oct/11/karen-white-how-manipulative-and-controlling-offender-attacked-again-transgender-prison

this 'acceptance without exception' promoted by Stonewall is part of the problem
Absolutely. Stonewall are doing gay men and lesbians no favours whatsoever.
The most successful way to ensure gay rights is for the public to be able to relate to gay and lesbian people. I got where I am through years of patiently explaining things to straight people and proving myself. You can argue I shouldn't have to, but then why should the public bother accepting or understanding any minority? There has to be mutual good will.
I wouldn't drag my straight boss to a lesbian sex club, would I? That would make me seem "other", and strange, and he wouldn't be able to relate to that.
Gay people get shit for being outrageous and also shit for being heteronormative. There was a large contingent of homosexuals who didn't want gay marriage, myself included. (Civil partnership was/is a better option in my opinion but I don't want to derail - just making the point).
I might not be as cool as the queer lot, or as edgy, or push as many boundaries, but I'd quite like to just be able to live my life thanks.
Some of these boundary pushers are very dodgy people, some are just naïve, thinking the rights and freedoms gay and lesbian people have achieved in a few short decades are completely unassailable.
Maybe I'm just pessimistic, but I think Stonewall are dismantling what we had built as a community by pandering to some questionable groups. And Ruth Hunt doesn't give a monkey's about lesbians. I think she must suffer from some internalised lesbophobia.

Yes, I do think that Stonewall has a lot to answer for. Previously they spoke for LGB, held sensible campaigns and were very well respected.

Now, who knows what they stand for? Acceptance without exception. They have unintentionally (I think) allied themselves with all kinds of fringe behaviour that - crucially - has nothing to do with LGB sexual orientation.

Crossposted, Oink!

Talk about missing the point

The case boards are a good way of doing things – you can’t say the system is wrong when it goes wrong once. It is almost the exception that proves the rule – you’ve just got to look at what went wrong and make sure it doesn’t happen again. No system is perfect. It’s human nature that people will sometimes get it wrong.”

It’s human nature that people will get it wrong which is why you design the system so that the bad outcome CANT HAPPEN.

Bad system: men can go in women’s prison, humans pick which men are goodies or baddies (hint: men going to prison are generally not goodies..)

Good system: men, under no circumstances ever go in women’s prison - problem solved!

The problem isn’t that the board got it wrong, the problem ksvthe system allows the choice to be made in the first place.

My faith in public bodies and structures to keep people safe is failing by the day. How can they be so stupid?

Or of course maybe they’re not stupid. Maybe the people designing the system have poor motives.

But that’ll never happen! Oh dear - here’s Gordon pike, convicted sex offender who helped draw up thebrules for transgender transfer.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sex-offender-gordon-pike-helped-set-prison-trans-rules-q8n3lnksv

Wrong threads sorry ...

Flyingoink I can see where you’re coming from but that view suggests gay drag queens are all sweet, lovely people. I’m sure some are just as some individuals in any group of people are but that’s not the issue here. The fear of being labelled homophobic maybe why the T tagged on to LGB and we end up with acceptance without exception, with a push for it to become mandatory for everyone.

And this is the end result of these kind of happenings:

So normal, so acceptable, nothing to see here...

Bowlofbabelfish that jumped out at me in the article too

Green, who clearly doesn't understand what is appropriate and what isn't (see the documentary for evidence) is trolling

I find this persuasive. Tweeted to provoke a reaction feeling protected by transgender-Teflon without it even occurring to Green that she also should have wondered whether it might be wholly inappropriate.

I'm not 100% convinced they form part of a paedo vanguard. If they do, I guess it's unwittingly.

The problem with much of what's gone on with the advance of the trans agenda is not that there's a master plan, but the gaps it opens up for opportunistic abusers. And as we continually see, even referring to this will get you a kicking for "saying" that "all trans people are sex offenders".

This is exactly why the T is tagged on.

1. Social acceptance by proxy,
2. Legal protection

The fear of being labelled homophobic maybe why the T tagged on to LGB and we end up with acceptance without exception, with a push for it to become mandatory for everyone.
I don't understand what you mean.

The problem with much of what's gone on with the advance of the trans agenda is not that there's a master plan, but the gaps it opens up for opportunistic abusers.
Agreed. This calendar was a bad idea, and a lot of the tacked-on T stuff is a bad idea too. But it's got to the stage where gay people can't express their concerns either.
Social acceptance by proxy
So much. Literally riding on others' coat-tails. Then stealing the bloody coat.

We fought for years to get porn calendars off walls in offices. So no.

I have drag friends, they do not approve of this.

I was thinking about that 'Acceptance with exception' slogan, and how much it reminded me of a religious slogan, actually.

It's a great, right and proper thing, that requires no special beliefs, to fight for the rights of LGB people to be and love who they wish.

But the strap line 'Acceptance with exception' takes everything so much further than that. Acceptance is not a virtue. It's simply a description of someone capitulating to someone else. In some contexts, this is a good thing. In others it's abuse. To elevate it to a virtue that must be practiced at all times is a religious idea, which is very evident when you look at the broad remit Stonewall have set themselves now.

It is not good to accept without exception. It is a complete demolition of personal and other boundaries, and this should be entirely unacceptable in a culture that is just waking up to the importance of consent.

The 'person' 2nd from left is tied to the beam; I have just finished reading the David Challenor threads. He who tied his 10 year old victim to a beam whilst dressed as ...

The way I see it as that the T movement has become synonymous with LGB but the relationship isn’t symbiotic and without the LGB of LGBT, the trans movement would not have gained the acceptance it has achieved in a few decades. The widespread acceptance of LGB ( rightly) means in the early days the T sector found it easier to affect change than they would otherwise because people were wary of being labelled homophobic. Bit long winded, hope it makes better sense.

That was in response to Flying, threads move fast!

that view suggests gay drag queens are all sweet, lovely people
Sorry, just to go back to this - I don't think that at all. Some are quite horrible. Many are very misogynistic, the whole calling women "fish" thing. And we're talking about men who party pretty hard, in many cases. Not fluffy men. My point was that my personal experience of drag queens is that they can be a little self-obsessed (lots of attention, competition, etc) that they tend to be busy in their lives, and that because of being so busy drinking, miming, showing off and generally living in the night-time economy they exist in a gay bubble. So I can well imagine (and this is sheer conjecture) that one of them got told there was a calendar to do for charity and the others all wanted to be involved.
I'm probably painting them as idiots, and I don't mean to. But it is possible for a gay guy to exist in a gay bubble, to read penis news uncritically, to holiday in gay resorts, and to interact with the rest of the population very little unless he has a day job. So I think there is at least the chance these men had no idea of the controversy surrounding Mermaids, and wouldn't be inclined to stop and listen if you wanted to explain.
Not that they're all lovely at all. Some are, some aren't.

FloralBunting
Agreed, and it's quite aggressive too. "Accept us or else". Or else what? Even if you add us all into the alphabet soup we're a tiny, very fractured, minority.
"Some people are X. Get over it" is also massively aggressive, unnecessarily so. Most people had got over it to a certain degree. Plus the fact you could put almost anything in place of X and still snarl at people to get over it means there's no recognition of the fact there's a difference between being homosexual and being a furry, for example.