Drag queens pose in bond age gear for calendar in aid of Mermaids

[JoanSummers]

I'm not sure if this has been posted?

"A local drag community in Newcastle have come together in style to create a one-of-a-kind 2019 calendar, with all proceeds going to charity to support transgender children and young people across the UK."

The February and March photos are attached.

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6577301/Drag-queens-pose-glamorous-calendar.html

Drag is an ADULT thing. And as always, what goes on between consenting adults in private homes/clubs is up to them.

But getting children involved is totally unacceptable. Just the same as any other adult/sexual thing.

And as always, what goes on between consenting adults in private homes/clubs is up to them.

Think a few people may disagree with you there, or maybe that’s only when I say it

Four year olds are still making sense of the world with themselves at the centre of the universe, there is no need to make them aware of an adult man’s painful experiences.

This keeps resonating with me for some reason.

There is so much of this going on, it's alllllllll about adult men and their feelings it seems. I'm mean no one cares about 'drag kings' or even really FtM trans people when it comes to who really needs to be listened to.

4 year old kids are meant to be self centred, it's part of normal development. Adult men, not so much.

I'm another one who doesn't understand why kids can't be taught that some families have two mums or two dads without that information being given out by drag queens?

Thanks Ereshkigal it was a rhetorical question,plenty of AGPs must be over the moon with this drag queen Trojan Horse opportunity.

I haven't seen a live drag act, but I did watch that Courtney Act show on channel 4 at Christmas. Obviously it was on really late because it was completely and utterly inappropriate for kids because drag isn't for kids.

'Kid friendly drag' would be your pantomime dame with 'oooooh the prince's balls get bigger ever year' type innuendo at the very worst. That is not what this calendar is and isn't what Desmond and Lactatia are involved in either and as far as I can see, nursery kids aren't being read to by pantomime dames either.

Here pencils, I think it might be better phrased this way:

"The one on the left is from the home page of Drag Queen Story Hour Horror Story."

Drag Queen Story Hour Horror Story is an initiative that aims to normalize adult sex play to primary and pre-primary school aged children.

Seeing all of the Nothing to see here on this thread has been an absolute eye-opener. It really does look like some people are willing to water down safeguarding of children in the interests of men who occupy the trans/drag/AGP cross-over space.

It is gobsmacking.

Beer I feel its because the message that children need to specifically be exposed to men in drag in order to learn to be accepting and nice of all men in women’s clothing is akin to saying children need to protect adults’ feelings. Children should be raised to have good manners, they do not need to learn to feel protective towards adults. In dysfunctional families, children often take on an emotional burden that should not be theirs, this looks similar to me. It really raises my hackles.

nauticant , there is something of the flying monkeys/psychopath about anyone who could say it is ok to frighten children in the name of male sexual validation.

In the first photo pencil uploaded, the little girl looks visibly scared of the man in a dress.. what is even more terrifying to me, is her mother (?) is there holding her hand teaching her, her first lesson in self-abasement to male sexual pleasure.

I feel its because the message that children need to specifically be exposed to men in drag in order to learn to be accepting and nice of all men in women’s clothing

When women are desperately pointing out that their six year old has no hope in hell of challenging men who identify as women in their toilets/changing rooms/guide packs this looks a lot like grooming.

It's actually illegal to use the disclosure statement they've used on that calendar as it's a commercial participation arrangement - the photographer (as a business) is using the charity donation to encourage sales of their calendar/their business so the disclosure statement has to be transparent under the Charities act. it should say something like 50p from the sale of each calendar will be donated so the buyer knows exactly how much the charity is getting, not some vague %of the profit. So what everyone says above wrt this being a shockingly inappropriate thing to be associated with, plus it's technically illegal.

Mermaids are members of the fundraising regulatory scheme and they commit to fundraising good practice - which this isn't. Anyone who feels strongly about fundraising transparency can complain to the regulators and mermaids have to publish the number of complaints they received about fundraising each year. www.fundraisingregulator.org.uk/complaints/make-complaint

I'm another one who doesn't understand why kids can't be taught that some families have two mums or two dads without that information being given out by drag queens?

Absolutely! It’s counterproductive to give that message out by drag queens because it says ‘same sex families are unusual/weird/different.’

‘Sally has two mummies’ then showing those mummies doing normal, routine things as part of family life (Sarah’s mummies take her to the dentist/to the beach/to her friend’s birthday party’ is how same sex relationships should be shown at that age - ie families may look different but they’re just the same as you. No further explanation is needed.

Age/situationaly appropriate truth, always.

Not a six foot four drag queen in clothing they’d (hopefully) never see in real life. That doesn’t teach them that Sarah’s mummies are just like her mum and dad, it teaches them that they should allow men to do whatever they like. Mind blowing that this is allowed/encouraged in schools.

Beer I feel its because the message that children need to specifically be exposed to men in drag in order to learn to be accepting and nice of all men in women’s clothing is akin to saying children need to protect adults’ feelings. Children should be raised to have good manners, they do not need to learn to feel protective towards adults. In dysfunctional families, children often take on an emotional burden that should not be theirs, this looks similar to me. It really raises my hackles.

Gosh, this is so true. I have seen it both personally and professionally when adults put emotional burden upon children and the effect that has. Children shouldn't really need to care about the feelings of adults beyond 'good manners' as you say, should they?

Of course men should be able to wear 'women's' clothes, but that is not what drag is, is it? Drag is a parody, an exaggerated portrait of a woman.

Bowlofbabelfish the thing is, Sarah and her two mummies, who are just two normal bog standard cunty women, with normal jobs, who dress in normal clothes and happen to be lesbian, but don't identify as 'queer' or 'femme' or whatever other label needs to be slapped on these people, is not the sorts of families they are talking about is it? Too boring really.

It's not really about getting children to accept LGBT in all its forms...

It's incredible how speedily the boundaries of what is acceptable for young children have been eroded and the ability of parents to protect their children undermined by some very sinister people.
How many of us have had to remove our children from seeing Father Christmas when they screamed the place down? How many have had to reassure our children that the scary clown is just a man in disguise and they won't get close? Good parents do that.
Yet people actually argue that grotesque characterisations of women with over sexualised dress, names and behaviours must be imposed on little children - and we're bigots and unkind if we don't agree. The weaponising of children by the perverted porn advocates is repellant and people centring the needs of children don't facilitate this.

And of course drag is never about women dressing as men. There are no drag kings going into schools to talk to tiny kids (who would far rather Fireman Sam came and talked to them). It's ALL about men dressing up as women

YY totally agree that every UK school who has a mermaids speaker in or who links to Mermaids on their website should also display a copy of this calendar in reception.

Why not link to the calendar sales site from the school’s website and school Twitter account when they are fundraising?
Have a charity dress up day where the kids wear ‘inspired by’ costumes and take copies of this calendar home to sell like they do with those raffle ticket books.."?

Yet people actually argue that grotesque characterisations of women with over sexualised dress, names and behaviours must be imposed on little children - and we're bigots and unkind if we don't agree.

YY.

Why is it ever a given that men in drag are well placed to teach kids about tolerance?

Why can't kids just decide for themselves much later - as adults - whether this particular aspect of male sexual culture is for them?

There are plenty of LGB parents doing the spadework of parenting. When young kids come across them, LGB is usually filed under, 'oh, so that's a thing too' before moving on. Men in drag not required.

Beer I feel its because the message that children need to specifically be exposed to men in drag in order to learn to be accepting and nice of all men in women’s clothing is akin to saying children need to protect adults’ feelings. Children should be raised to have good manners, they do not need to learn to feel protective towards adults.

It's a "get em young" approach.

There are plenty of LGB parents doing the spadework of parenting. When young kids come across them, LGB is usually filed under, 'oh, so that's a thing too' before moving on. Men in drag not required

My son is 7 and knows that two men or two women can get married and some people have two mums or two dads. He was totally 'meh' about it, accepting it without any questions, it's just something we have always just mentioned in passing along the way. And no drag queens were involved.

My DC the same, Beer.

And if a family is homophobic, storytelling men in drag are unlikely to combat that.

It's not really about getting children to accept LGBT in all its forms...

Damn right it isn't. It’s about boundary erosion.

And if a family is homophobic, storytelling men in drag are unlikely to combat that.
Isn't it more like to reinforce that homophobia? And discourage participation?

It’s about boundary erosion.
I think this is a distinct possibility, but I think another possibility is that Green, who clearly doesn't understand what is appropriate and what isn't (see the documentary for evidence) is trolling.
The only reason I suggest this is because the demographic of actual drag queens is normally all gay men. Drag queens are often heavily involved in the bar and club scene - you don't put in all that effort on makeup and costume for nobody to see it - and many are cabaret acts. So we're talking about busy guys, out in drinking establishments on school nights.
I'm not 100% convinced they form part of a paedo vanguard. If they do, I guess it's unwittingly.
Basically I'm suggesting that a bunch of drag queens are more likely to be ill-informed barflies than anything else. It might sound dismissive, it's just my experience from interacting with these type of guys in real life.
Green is rubbing her inappropriate sense of humour in the public's face because she feels she is untouchable.
I don't disagree that the end result is the same, and that boundaries are being blurred, and perhaps there is some influence from queer theorists with questionable views on consent.
What's the point of my post? I just don't want to see concern surrounding something that is clearly inappropriate manifest itself as common or garden homophobia.

On reflection it might well do Oink. There really is no good reason to expose kids to drag.