Morgane Oger: SEX does not exist

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Oger and friends protested Meghan Murphy's event at the Vancouver Public Library yesterday (Oger compared it to a "holocaust denial party") and then tweeted this:

Just in case it weren't already clear to everyone that the vocal proponents of gender ideology want to erase women and homoSEXuals...

It doesn't surprise me in the least that that was who they invited.

Oger is pretty strange.

Some transfolk are obviously just in denial, but others are just whackjobs.

If sex doesn't exist why is it that only those 'coercively assigned female at birth' , get pregnant? And never those 'coercively assigned male at birth' ?

This is one of the 'wrongs' to be righted in the next phase.

Uterus transplantation in and beyond cisgender women: revisiting procreative liberty in light of emerging reproductive technologies

Amel Alghrani

Journal of Law and the Biosciences, Volume 5, Issue 2, 1 August 2018, Pages 301-328, doi.org/10.1093/jlb/lsy012
Published: 10 July 2018

Uterus transplantation in transgender women: the final step in re-alignment

Soon after the world’s first birth via uterine transplant, media headlines were quick to publicize that this raised the prospect that the procedure may also be possible in transgender women so as to enable gestation.107Robertson acknowledges, ‘transgender persons have the same right to have genetic offspring that other persons have’. Transgender women could use sperm stored prior to any gender affirming surgery to create an embryo with a donated egg, which she could then gestate in a transplanted uterus. Without a uterus transplant, genetic reproduction would only be possible via a gestational carrier such as a surrogate. Uterus transplantation overcomes this and holds the potential to further widen the reproductive options for transgender women. Transgender women may desire to gestate for non-genetic reproduction and regard gestation as a way of expressing and consolidating both a maternal and feminine identity, namely a parental identity that aligns with gender identity.108Thus in this context, uterus transplantation has the potential to realign reproductive capacity. Again, the question here is not necessarily one of having children; transgender women may already be parents and have had children both prior to gender affirming surgery transitioning and post, depending on what type of surgeries and hormonal therapies they have chosen.109The question is one of securing an experience imagined as important to one's (gender) identity and hoped-for parental bonds.

What happened to "they just want to pee in peace"?

There are medical professionals who would be willing to experiment though. A change in law is all that is needed for this to move from speculation to experimentation.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/life-style/men-pregnant-womb-transplant-dr-richard-paulson-transgender-a8037201.html%3famp

Speaking at the American Society for Reproductive Medicine’s annual meeting in San Antonio, Texas, Dr Paulson explained that there was no anatomical reason why a womb could not be successfully implanted into a transgender woman.

“You could do it tomorrow,” he said. “There would be additional challenges, but I don’t see any obvious problem that would preclude it ... I personally suspect there are going to be trans women who are going to want to have a uterus and will likely get the transplant.”

He added that while people born as men and those born as womenhave different shaped pelvises there would nevertheless be room for an implanted womb.

Wasn't this one of the topics discussed at the recent WPATH conference?

The question is one of securing an experience imagined as important to one's (gender) identity and hoped-for parental bonds

The gap between this ‘right’ and the reality of the cost and effectiveness of infertility treatment for natal women is a yawning chasm.

It’s not just fantasy medical care, it’s also fantasy money.

MO.. I have no words. Despicable person.

re the Yogyakarta Principles aren't these taken from an ordinary conference of some human rights activists... hmm, 29 experts I have just read (?)... but who try to make it sound more official by mimicking the format and tone of the UN conventions? (mimicking and appropriating again) Stephen Whittle being one of the drivers and signatories.

As far as I am aware it has been rejected by the UN and has no official standing and not a lot of support (I think mainly for reasons relating to gender identity rather than gay and lesbian rights, but may be wrong on that, knowing that some countries are still very homophobic) but still it is just some people writing some ideas that they want to happen.

It irritates me intensely how it is referred to by some TRAs ans Stonewall as if it is UN backed.

And this non-science bullshit. So much with TRAs is sham and lies and fucked-upness.

re the Yogyakarta Principles aren't these taken from an ordinary conference of some human rights activists... hmm, 29 experts I have just read (?)... but who try to make it sound more official by mimicking the format and tone of the UN conventions? (mimicking and appropriating again) Stephen Whittle being one of the drivers and signatories.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3228002-Yogyakarta-principles

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3284051-yogyakarta-principles-plus-10

Sheila Jeffries speech really worth watching as she gives a thorough explanation and history:
from, 'Inconvenient Women - A We Need To Talk event'

Thanks R0 you are a legend :)

The YPs are terrifying in their trans demands, but have no widespread international or UN standing. It is ludicrous that they are being deferred to in Scotland.

Will watch the vid tomorrow

Haha just listening to myself at that event in the Q&A.

It's a great presentation about the YP. Sheila Jeffreys explains the problem with the SOGI acronym.

Speaking at the American Society for Reproductive Medicine’s annual meeting in San Antonio, Texas, Dr Paulson explained that there was no anatomical reason why a womb could not be successfully implanted into a transgender woman.

Even if that weren’t bollocks, the eggs would belong to the womb-donor so the kids would be the genetic offspring of that donor too.

A man will never become a mother. Even in a fantasy world in which a womb could be implanted the only way he would be the biological parent is if those eggs were fertilised with his own frozen sperm - which would make him the father, not the mother.

God, is reproductive medicine still a thing? Surely soon we'll just be able to scan a bit of our hair and have our perfect offspring uploaded directly into the cloud?

Whirr, whirr, whirr -- an infant!

Built of reconstituted pig

Actually that might be the best argument for transhumanism I've heard yet

Dr Paulson explained that there was no anatomical reason why a womb could not be successfully implanted into a transgender woman.

Well, nobody ever said that the problem lies with finding space for an uterus in the male body. The problem lies with what said male body would have to do in terms of hormones, hormone timing, nutrient exchange... in order to faciliate the development of a healthy child (if an actual child is the goal, and it is not just all about making the male bodied person feel pregnant, as long as it lasts.)

I mean, sure, you could stick it in there, as long as you were happy to see a repeat of what happened to Lily Elbe. Most surgeons frown on performing operations that will probably kill their patients, if only for liability reasons.

Most surgeons frown on performing operations that will probably kill their patients, if only for liability reasons.

Also, they'll have a hard time getting all those 'testimonials' from patients to advertise with.

Bit of a lack of support structure and blood vessels though right?

Sounds like an anatomical reason it'd be tricky to me...

I’m not convinced that Dr Paulson has the best interests of children (or the health of the prospective parents) in mind...

‘Dr. Paulson’s work has extended to fertility in women over the age of 50 and, in 1997, he reported a successful pregnancy in the oldest woman on record at the time, aged 63.’

uscfertility.org/about-usc-fertility/richard-paulson-md/

What about the effect of anti-rejection drugs on an embryo/foetus? It all sounds very risky, a lot of that directed towards the developing child.

Oger copies and expands on the Facebook rant on Oger's own site:

I hold Meghan Murphy’s Feminist Current, the Vancouver Public Library, and the City of Vancouver responsible for the fact that this hate propaganda has been published to the internet. etc etc
archive.li/Bx6ky

"Ogre's have layers".
I'm beginning to wonder if Shrek meant troweled on makeup