yogyakarta principles plus 10

[happydappy2]

Is anyone familiar with the yogyakarta principles plus 10? Have just read through & it looks like people who decide to change their sex, will have the right to a new birth certificate showing their 'new' sex. There will be no way of checking a persons history

STATES SHALL:
A. Ensure that official identity documents only include personal information that is relevant, reasonable and necessary as required by the law for a legitimate purpose, and thereby end the registration of the sex and gender of the person in identity documents such as birth certificates, identification cards, passports and driver licences, and as part of their legal personality.
iii. Ensure that no eligibility criteria, such as medical or psychological interventions, a psycho-medical diagnosis, minimum or maximum age, economic status, health, marital or parental status, or any other third party opinion, shall be a prerequisite to change one’s name, legal sex or gender;
iv. Ensure that a person’s criminal record, immigration status or other status is not used to prevent a change of name, legal sex or gender.

I'm just concerned about the safeguarding issues here surrounding women and children. Particularly the no minimum age for children & the fact a persons criminal record will mean nothing-this is worrying. Are there any safeguards in place at all?

Here's one of it's authors in full flow.

Thanks-haven’t time to watch now, but reading the section on sports it’s clear that if we implement these policies it’s the end of womens competitive sports.....this really annoys me

Where do these principles come from?

Who gets to decide?

Looks like a group of men! Is extremely worrying though so wanted to share

How important are these principles and who is driving or deciding them? Will anyone in the UK take them seriously?

They have no force in law right? So what is the point of them?

Will anyone in the UK take them seriously?

Every time you see something like:

Gender identity is understood to refer to each person’s deeply felt internal and individual experience of gender, which may or may not correspond with the sex assigned at birth

That has come straight from the Yogyakarta Principles.

The Scottish GRA consultation quoted them as being international best practice. In short, everyone in power seems to be taking them seriously.

3.10. The view of the Scottish Government is that the 2004 Act requirements are unnecessarily intrusive and do not reflect the best practice now embodied in the Yogyakarta Principles and Resolution 2048.

They do matter.

"23.The Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC)18 emphasised the importance of “a single, strong and clear strategy to lever progress”.19 Stonewall told us that “establishing a transparent mechanism for cross-government working, with a specific ‘trans equality’ remit, would provide a way to focus expertise and to consult with trans communities”.20 We also heard from various quarters the view that the UK government should adopt the overarching principles on trans equality embodied in two international declarations:21

the Yogyakarta Principles on the Application of International Human Rights Law in relation to Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity, adopted by the International Commission of Jurists in 2007;22 and
Resolution 2048: Discrimination against transgender people in Europe, adopted by the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe in April 2015.23

These set out an overarching framework for trans equality in law, based on the principle of a universal right for individuals to determine their own gender identity and to have this respected and recognised."

publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201516/cmselect/cmwomeq/390/39005.htm

Previous thread on Yogyakarta
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3228002-Yogyakarta-principles

Thanks!

Meanwhile, Oxfam are recommending that female toilets to be geographically separated from male ones in refugee camps to prevent males from raping females on toilet trips.

The penis is a male organ and can be used as a rape weapon to put females at risk of pregnancy, STIs, and physical and mental injury. Gender identity has nothing to do with this.

Good spot, I didn't notice that when I first read.

The more I think about this, the more I realise that you have to be seriously privileged to buy into this gender bullshit.

this point I find particularly disturbing

E. Establish a truth-seeking mechanism and process in regard to human rights violations based on sexual orientation, gender identity, gender expression and sex characteristics;

WTF is a truth seeking mechanism?

I'm sure Theresa May also mentioned the Yogyakarta Principles as being 'best practice' in her speech last October about this dangerous change.

Also Shiela Jeffries analysed the importance of YP in the recent meeting

We Need to Talk meeting in London.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdQuYMjaqHY

All the European countries seem to have signed on to the idea of eliminating all sex protections for women.
I suppose that is why the EA repealed all other laws that provided for women's rights.

Truth seeking mechanism? Water boarding?

*FeckTheMagicDragon

Truth seeking mechanism? Water boarding?*

Nah, just did the person saying it have a penis? yes = true no = shut up bitch

When you realise how this is being imposed from on high, David Icke doesn't sound quite so "out there"! He is gender critical, naturally...blurring lines is destabilising. Making children think that they can choose their gender removes a fundamental reality in their lives and makes everything else uncertain.

We can't even escape this...the Council of Europe is not connected to the EU, it was formed after WW2.

Perhaps the answer is to quit the European Convention on Human Rights! This is what the Government wants to do.

Perhaps the answer is to quit the European Convention on Human Rights! This is what the Government wants to do.

The European Court of Human Rights does not support self-id for change of legal sex. There was a case last year in which an individual in France wanted to change legal sex without a diagnosis of gender dysphoria and took the case to the European Court (Garcon v France). They found that there was no violation of human rights to require a diagnosis before change of legal sex.

Full details here: A.P., Garçon and Nicot v. France

As I understand it, the Council of Europe is an advisory body only, so can make pronouncements, but nobody has to do what they say.

I am still wondering how 'The Most Oppressed Group of People on the Planet™' can all afford to jet off to Yogyakarta Indonesia, to this summit - when many of the UK GC feminists cannot even afford train fare to travel two or three counties. Why is that?

And why do these 'The Most Oppressed Group of People on the Planet™' have so many billionaires and millionaires?

Old Crone thanks for the link to the cases in France-fascinating reading. It seems there is some commons sense, 3 chaps were refused permission to alter their sex on their birth certificate to female.
“Granting S. Nicot’s request would effectively amount to the creation by the courts of a ‘third gender’, namely persons of female appearance who nevertheless continue to have a male external sexual anatomy but can marry a man. In the opposite case, a person who is male in appearance would continue to have female genitalia and could thus give birth to a child!!! As the case-law currently stands, such a situation is wholly prohibited.”

But then worrying recommendations....“...[to] respond favourably to requests for a change in civil status [from transsexual or transgender persons] where hormone treatments producing permanent physical or physiological change, combined as appropriate with plastic surgery (breast prostheses or removal of mammary glands, facial plastic surgery, etc.) have resulted in an irreversible change of gender, without requiring removal of the genitalia.”

There is clearly a huge push from the trans lobby to allow men to legally be viewed as female even though they retain male genitalia-very worrying

Not only do we have self id to worry about - the courts might allow it anyway.......

Very good point LaSqrrl
Even knowing how to go about getting the yp drawn up requires a high level of privilege. Even having the understanding to think to attempt to draw up such a document betrays immensely more privilege than I have ever seen, and I'm not exactly unprivileged!

The Yog Principles are nothing but a wish list.

If the 100,000 million girls on this planet without a secure, safe and self determined future had one tenth of those wishes granted what an amazing place this world world would be.

But hey, it's all about the men.