NUS Trans Conference

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So was just looking at NUS website to see if there was any news on Jess Bradley (nothing posted yet but their profile is still there) Wanted to see who was the LGBT+ Officer (Women’s Place) and saw it was someone called Eden Ladley. News on the site about a NUS Trans Conference this month so went over to their Twitter and saw that bursaries were available for Transwomen and transpeople of Colour to attend... but no mention of Transmen at all (although I suppose they are obviously entitled to bursaries if they’re not white) Someone has asked whether Transmen are entitled to a bursary but as of 23hrs later there hadn’t been a reply. Is it just a typo do you think?

Orchid, then dont send them to a US college...

www.thecollegefix.com/theres-a-sudden-surge-of-trans-students-coming-out-at-my-college-and-im-scared-to-talk-about-it/

A good article that someone posted to Rosa Freedman's twitter.

transmen being marginalised

And at that age (students), people are unlikely to have had any medical treatment. In the eyes of the world, the transmen are women and vice versa. So if anyone is facing discrimination, or in need of a taxi to get them safely home, it's more likely to be the transmen.

Agree that trans men having been socialised as women should get more points in the oppression olympics. It reveals the underlying contempt for females. Not sure why transwomen of colour are thought to have had more negative stuff in the press. I've read a lot of press trans coverage in the past year and don't recall this issue being mentioned. It sound like another attempt to class people who think gender identity is nonsense with racists.

I wish I was closer, would love to go for a drink at the bar and watch the carnage unfold.

Tbh, transmen can't have it both ways; if they believe that TWAW and TMAM, then they should recognise that they aren't eligible for a 'woman's' bursary in Transworld. I can sort of see the logic.

I bet if it were the other way round it would be a different story. Male transactivists often expect to have their cake and eat it IME.

Why should either get a bursary? Given they are all students why are transwomen students considered to be more in need of money than trans men? It seems to be trying to get more transwomen participants to skew the conference.

Oh, I'm greatly looking forward to the queering STEM bit.

Especially the T (as in tech, not trans). Computing is essentially the very embodiment of a restrictive binary what with those pesky transistors and stuff, and this needs to stop!

This should be fun!

Presumably in Transworld, transwomen are the oppressed class so need special rules just for them? Who knows, it's all through-the-looking-glass, bat-shit crazy logic.

Be warned, transmen, the transfeminists will be after you, demanding that the transpatriarchy is smashed....

I so want to attend, last year’s made me laugh.

queering " the curriculum, especially in STEM subjects. or ‘the bits of education that deal with facts are still not submitting to us.’

That’s actually quite worrying - they know the science (and reality, but they don’t seem too bothered by that) are against them, so they need to crush it.

I look forward to hearing dispatches from the front line

I would love to read a strict definition of who is allowed a trans woman's bursary. What about a femme presenting non binary woman. Definitely under the trans umbrella but not a trans man...

The trans lobby seem to have missed the fact that the reason for giving extra help to particular groups has been because they were under represented in that particular society. Transwomen aren't under represented in the trans society. Transmen are.

Queering stem? Wtf does that even mean?

Trans women are more than represented. I see more of them on tv than blind people.

I was just about to say that 2rebecca. They're claiming that transwomen get the bursary because the are underrepresented. Where is the proof of that, then? Let's see it. There are over represented everywhere. It's not true. They should have to back that up as it's the very basis of their positive discrimination. And the complete opposite of what actually happens.

And yes to sex discrimination. Absolutely blatant. Breaching the equality act.

And, of course, since anything is what you say it is, let's see all the women identifying as transwomen.

Eden Ladley is behind a lot of this. Last year they were trying to get the NUS trans conference to be transwomen (ie biological males) only.

EL explains eligibility for a bursary for 2019:

twitter.com/nus_trans/status/1082643696405921794

"Hey! Any trans person elected to attend the conference can be a delegate. Trans men and other transmisogyny- exempt trans people have been overrepresented there in the past, so a bursary is being provided to help trans women and TPoC attend the conference. Hope this helps!"

Bursaries are not allowed for transmisogny-exempt trans people. In English that means no biological females at all, and no biological males who claim to be non-binary. So biological males who claim to be women only.

EL is a biological male who claims to be a woman.

Demonstrates their view of transmen here:

twitter.com/ladleye/status/1080670358339010560

"What is it with transmed trans men and them desperately wanting to use the T slur even though it's always been directed at trans women? It's honestly so bizarre and transmisogynistic"

"Trans men really are the weakest link lol"

The pp about "in plain sight" has it spot on. The sheer brazenness of this male entitlement is incredible. It's really quite distressing too.

Back to that thing whereby if you make absolutely batshit claims and demands, then the marginally-less-nutso-ones seem eminently reasonable by comparison.

Transmed refers to transgender people who actually make physical changes to their bodies. So transsexual basically.

EL holds these people (as well as women who identify as men) in very low regard.

twitter.com/ladleye/status/1077943991054811142

"Also, transmedicalism is a reactionary ideology and proponents are actively engaged in cis people further controlling our bodies and gender expression".

Trans misogyny exempt?

What about people who are subjected to regular old misogyny, because everyone knows they're women?

This person sounds like they positively revel in what they term trans misogyny. Bathes in it.

I'm reminded of that transwoman who was highly pissed off that they could not get men to objectify them in their local nightclub. Despite, if I recall correctly, dancing on the tables.

Eden is just a plain old bog standard MRA

"What about people who are subjected to regular old misogyny, because everyone knows they're women?"

That's your female privilege talking, Datun. It demonstrates exactly why biological women should not be able to apply for bursaries.

Funny how EL seems easily to be able to identify and group all biological women together eh? Despite biology not existing? Easy when you want to exclude them from something yet doesn't exist otherwise.

I fully expect EL to be made NUS Trans Officer at this conference by the way.

And at that age (students), people are unlikely to have had any medical treatment. In the eyes of the world, the transmen are women and vice versa. So if anyone is facing discrimination, or in need of a taxi to get them safely home, it's more likely to be the transmen
Even after medical treatment. A beard and a flesh tube aren't going to make a person taller and better able to fight off a mugger.
Although Ladley is missing a trick here. Transmen are the growth industry.

That's your female privilege talking, Datun. It demonstrates exactly why biological women should not be able to apply for bursaries.

The thing is, a transman would instantly have two protected characteristics. That of sex and that of gender reassignment.

A transwomen wouldn't. The only have the one.

How does EL justify that?

Another one looking forward to this.

With their travel bursaries, they should get plenty of oppressed transwomen delegates there and their enablers.

It should be a good do.

Queering stem? Wtf does that even mean?

STEM is science, tech and maths. Basically the numerate/medical/technical side of stuff. All that stuff deals with facts and has clear, concise language to express complex concepts. STEM jargon isn’t there to sound big and clever, or to obfuscate, it’s there to mean exactly what it’s supposed to mean. And it works on facts and reality. An archaeologist knows what sex an adult skeleton is. A geneticist knows what a female is. A biochemist knows that the reference ranges for kidney function are different between men and women.

This is a threat to queer theory and thus trans ideology because queer theory relies on mangling language and reality. So queer theory is the sort of shot that mixes up nouns and verbs. I heard a lot of ‘to medal’ in the last olympics for example. It’s why language like c*s and trans is used. There’s a good thread on queer theory a while back.

Anyway, STEM is the antithesis of queer theory. Thus it must be ‘queered.’ Expect another influx of Bad Science on these boards and Twitter and everywhere else after the conference.

Language matters, facts matter and clarity of language matters. Queering stem is a direct attempt to pull down one of the last barriers to full acceptance of trans ideology.