Karen White wants to force a return back to women's prison

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www.mirror.co.uk/news/transgender-rapist-begs-25000-surgery-13818119

Now the 52-year-old is pleading with pals to fund her reassignment surgery, saying: “I’m longing for the day the system sends me – more like forced to send me – to a female prison again.

“But the only way I will achieve this is if I become a woman. Then the system will have no option but to send me to a female estate.”

White wrote in her letters: “Being in this place doesn’t promote positivity.

“The only way I’m going to get out here is if I was to have the operation soon (private) then the system would have to move me to a female prison.”

OtherPam you are so right.

Funny that the brilliant minds who wrote the original GRA of 2004 thought to include an exception so the right of male primogeniture for titles & property would not be affected, but they didn't see fit to exclude convicted male sex offenders who've violently abused women & children from being able to claim trans status & get a GRC giving them legal status as (a form of) women. Wonder why that is. Will someone please inquire of Stephen Whittle?

Exactly - one could be forgiven for thinking that misogynists crafted the GRA whilst no one was looking

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/228767

Reminder of the petition to review rules around this. Please sign. I think this is something most people, and politicians, can support.

Exactly - one could be forgiven for thinking that misogynists crafted the GRA whilst no one was looking

The very thought!

A bit of a tangent, can incarcerated persons undergo elective surgery whilst in prison?
I presume that if surgery was deemed to be essential or important for a prisoner's health they would undergo surgery/ be placed on NHS waiting lists. In such circumstances I wonder if they could use private health insurance or personal funds to get faster treatment or to be treated in a private hospital. It doesn't seem likely and I doubt a private hospital would want the required level of security imposed from a prisoner being an in patient.

Prisoners can get elective treatment at a private hospital on the NHS (with taxpayers footing the bill for the extra security required)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/11/19/trans-murderer-serving-life-will-receive-80k-gender-reassignment/

Trans murderer serving life will receive £80k gender reassignment on the NHS

A transgender murderer serving a life sentence has been given the green light for gender reassignment surgery on the NHS.

The £20,000 procedure has been described as a “security nightmare” by prison officers and will see Paris Green escorted from her maximum-security prison in Scotland to a hospital in Brighton.

The 1,000-mile-round-trip from Edinburgh will be followed by the life changing surgery and a two-week recovery period.

The whole process will take place under 24-hour guard and cost the taxpayer tens of thousands of pounds, with a potential extra £60,000 for further surgery if recommended.

The surgery, which is supported by transgender rights campaigners, was given the go-ahead last week and is scheduled to begin within weeks.

Green, 27, was found guilty of murder and jailed for life in 2013 after she tortured, sexually assaulted and beat a man to death with two accomplices.
Since being incarcerated, Green from Glenrothes, Fife, has been removed from a women’s prison for sexually assaulting other inmates.

She began her sentence in Cornton Vale women’s prison in Stirling, but is currently held in a women’s wing at HMP Edinburgh.

She has identified as a woman since 2011 and will become the first prisoner serving in Scotland to undergo the surgery.

However prison officers are unhappy about Green’s operation, branding it “not live saving” and not “vital”.

They have expressed deep concerns over the plans, saying the decision sends the wrong message to victims of serious crime and that they are worried about the transportation of a maximum-security prisoner.

One officer said: “Most of the people I’ve discussed this with think it’s outrageous.

“You can murder someone brutally but while you’re in prison you’re entitled to everything you ask for, no matter the burden you put on a stretched system, because it might breach your human rights to say no.
“What about the rights of the victim and his family? Is anyone thinking of them? Is it not another slap in the face they could do without?”
Another officer added: “This will be a logistical and security nightmare for the prison service and for the health service, and they have more important things to worry about.
“This is not a life-saving operation. It is not vital to keep Green healthy.
“If you’re serving life for murder, I think some things should be outside your reach and this is one of them.”

Time for third space.

That news about Paris Green makes me really fucking angry

Wasn't it Karen Jones who said they committed attempted rape in order to actually get sent back prison to be fast tracked for surgery?

Stop giving it air time.

Why will no-one in authority tell these bastards to fuck off? There is absolutely no reason that Paris Green should have the right to all of that money, which I’m sure could be better used elsewhere. I’d rather set fire to it than have that money fund surgery so a murdering shitbag can indulge a fantasy. What actually does give them this “right”? And why can they go to a private hospital? They ought to have to wait on the NHS like everyone else. I’m not sure why I, with an actual disability, should have to wait 8 months just for a consultant appointment when we have murderers being escorted for elective surgery at private hospitals. Utterly enraging.

No it needs air time, silence allows it to go unnoticed.
Sex offenders should not be provided with sex changes whilst serving sentences for their horrendous crimes. The general public need to be made aware of what acception without exception includes: sex changes for predators to enable open access to any space on release.

I hadn't realised that his previous sex crimes included some against children.

He's be in the right place, either others of his ilk.

How does "never" sound to you, TRAs who support White?

I hope this and the Green case get lots and lots of publicity, because every single person I've mentioned either to has been absolutely furious. Prison is not a holiday camp - no one ever promised a "positive environment", and if you want to live in a positive environment then maybe try not to rape or murder anyone. Once you have? Oh well, you're sad, nobody gives a shit.

(If anyone does then you really have to wonder what's going on with their sense of self preservation. Would they feel sorry for a shark that was trying to bite their leg off too? Sympathy for dangerous people to the point where you strive to give them anything they ask for is anti self preservation.)

And, you know, White could have had that surgery at any point up until their most recent incarceration.

White is 52 years old and never even started that process on the outside.

Surgery is now "vital" apparently.

Fuck. Off.

You know what's vital? White being prevented from raping any more women. So no. Take his cock off and he'll just use an object instead.

Take his cock off and he'll just use an object instead.

And even if he doesn't do that, he'll just find another way to sexually intimidate women who can't get away from him and the majority of whom have past histories of MVAWG.

He's a predatory sex offender, FFS. He will never stop predating.

He just sounds typical of a certain sort of hardcore manipulator - no idea of their impact on other people or how they sound to others. Just convinced they can outrun the game.

'If I pay for the op privately then they'll have to send me to a woman's prison!'

Er no matey, because you are a convicted rapist, a national hate figure and no Justice Secretary wants this to happen on his watch as it's not going to play well on the front pages of the Daily Mail you bloody numpty.

White has two convictions for indecent assault and gross indecency with a young child. And three convictions for raping women. And a conviction for stabbing a neighbour. And convictions for GBH and burglary. And for the sexual assaults committed in a women's prison. Other offences lie on file.

White's ex-girlfriend states that his transgender claim is a sham. White lived as a man the majority of the time and only dressed up for nights out or when he met with council officials for disability benefits and housing.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6169813/Rapist-Karen-Whites-ex-girlfriend-says-gender-change-sham.html

Can you imagine going down in history as the Justice Secretary who approved that? Or even worse, approved a transfer for Huntley.

It's good that Karen White is pushing for this. It is such a brilliant example of what self-ID with practically no gatekeeping would look like.

"What about Karen White?" would win the argument in front of any reasonable person. Which is why TRAs don't want to have the argument.

Frances Crook of the Howard League questioned the motives of some prisoners who claim to be transgender. Hope prison authorities take this on board:
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/sep/09/sexual-assaults-in-womens-prison-reignite-debate-over-transgender-inmates-karen-white

Hope this is clicky - not colicky as autocorrect insisted

nauticant

Correct.

'If I pay for the op privately then they'll have to send me to a woman's prison!'

He's probably right. There are convicted male rapists and paedophiles in women's prisons already. His convictions will not prevent him getting a GRC. All you have to do to get that is "live as a woman" for 2 years and then buy a gender dysphoria diagnosis off the internet from someone like the Webberleys who will never have even met White. No medication or surgery needed. A GRC is an automatic transfer to a women's prison.

How come some male women can go to women's prisons and other male women cannot? White is probably suing the Ministry of Justice right now.

How come some male women can go to women's prisons and other male women cannot?

The prisons policy is based on risk. So Karen White is never going to a womens prison again, cock or no cock.

There are more than a few MtF sex offenders already in the male estate who are never going into female prisons. The policy is well established.

The Ministry of Justice doesn't have a sterling record of managing risk, though, does it?

That's why White was sent to a women's prison in the first place.