Miranda Yardley calls out the predator

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mirandayardley.com/en/jonathan-yaniv-is-a-predator

India on bb for example

India Willoughby, "let that penetrate, I am a real woman"

On Mumsnet etc:
www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/04/24/india-willoughby-transphobia-opinion-worried-for-my-life-mumsnet/

The KF thread now has female Reddit GC members posting

I'm thoroughly enjoying the crossing of the streams - and I won't be at all surprised if someone from here is posting too, some of the writing styles are familiar! It's an unholy alliance for sure, and we should be uncomfortable with it - not just because of KF as a whole, but because it shows us just how locked down the discussion has become. Where else is this discussion and info-gathering taking place openly? KF seem convinced that no-one can shut them down, but GC is walking a knife-edge with their mods and MN is - much as I love it - only as secure as the lawyers say it is.

I can't understand why the media is hesitating, really, this one case knocks self-id out of the park.

I'm not sure how secure KF is. They don't seem to make any money, incur lots of expenses and are reliant on one man whose mental health may not be 100%

Kf isn't as secure as its suggested.

However take out Kf, such as the way with the internet, you'd get an even bigger Streisand effect.

You'd be playing whack a mole with a bunch of people who are able with the internet. And very pissed off.

Yeah, that worries me - anything built on one person, even if they're the sanest person on the planet, is subject to their whims, finances and/or sudden death. Personality cults are a weak basis for anything.

Ha thanks R0, though that clip perhaps made me think the producers knew exactly what they were doing...

Neurotrash
I'm not so sure, IW has had a great year since in terms of supportive media platforms. It and the Pink New opinion piece are never mentioned.

It’s about time some of the mainstream media grew some balls and reported this dick head. I honestly believe there’s some kind of conspiracy. I don’t expect the liberal lefty ones to like the Guardian here but why haven’t shithouses like the Daily Mail or even further right wing ones bothered like Breibart? I know there’s court orders. I know it’s illegal and they’ll get sued. But it doesn’t seem to have stopped them in the past. DM had no quarrel with fucking that Gatwick couple up for example. The publicity and sales normally more than makes it for the court action and damages. Perhaps the issue is the general public doesn’t care enough to make it worthwhile

I think it's as simple as the Canadian press are intimidated and the overseas press don't yet understand how outrageous the case is (which makes it relevant across borders).

Just watched the video of India in the House. I would have let her carry on until she'd finished, then said, Amanda made a mistake, the world hasn't ended has it? Worse things happen at sea, and any other cliché I could think of. Oh and by the way, what do you mean by being a real woman'? I saw male aggression and women trying to smooth things over which is what we do.

I'm not sure either why Yaniv hasn't made the mainstream press. The UK press aren't bound by Canadian laws so it must just be that they don't think it's a big enough story.

I saw male aggression

But it wasn't typical male aggression as 99.99% of all men would never behave like that towards a woman they hardly knew. Almost all men have the self restraint and awareness to know that the public will never condone bullying behaviour like that (even the ones who are privately abusive to family members)

And 99.99% of all people, male and female, know that speaking like that to someone who is 82 is totally out of order even if she looks amazing for her age.

But it wasn't typical male aggression as 99.99% of all men would never behave like that towards a woman they hardly knew.

'Male agression' means a pattern of behaviour which is demonstrated by males (as opposed to females).
Not that all males demonstrate it (NAMALT)

It was typical male aggression.
This pattern includes admonishing women relentlessly, including anonymously on feminist boards.

99.99% of all men?
Does that statistic come from the ministry of bullshit?

What R0 said. Male pattern abusive behaviour is carried out overwhelmingly by males. It's NAMALT to say that not all males are abusive. We all know that.

You got statistics to back up that idiotic claim, Thingybob?

Clarification: source for that idiotic statistic.

pitching that kids as young as 18 months can know gender and 3 yr olds make life changing decisions is laying the way for "kids can consent to sex"

And the fact these children will one day be adults, so legal sexually, but with more child/waife like bodies due to puberty blockers, has to be an added bonus 😷

*waif (d'oh)

Ok I accept my statistics are nothing more than an internal gut feeling. Maybe nobody agrees with me put I'll try again to make the point I was trying to make.

Yes I know there is a behaviour pattern known as 'typical male aggression'. I also know there are many men that display it (although of course not all) it's just that India's behaviour didn't seem to quite fit that profile to me but it certainly didn't fit female pattern aggression either. My gut feeling is that it is something different. It's something I'm not familiar with and wouldn't have a clue how to best deal with it if faced with it. For that reason I find it particularly frightening.

Can I ask you to think of a particularly aggressive male you know. Now can you imagine them in that kitchen, with a group of women behaving like India? Yes maybe he would scream and shout about something but would he behave like India did? Now do the same for the Hyde Park incident, the stairwell incident and the misgendered gamestore customer, when a female tried to intervene. Can you imagine your aggressive male behaving in the same manner?

Can anyone else see that the aggression shown by those transwomen was different? It was male yes but with a toddler tantrum element and a complete lack of awareness to the power differential.

Sorry I can't articulate it any better but I'll repeat that I find the aggression particularly frightening.

Most of the aggressive males I've ever known do the talking over others, stabby fingered, bug eyed thing. Sure, the ones we're talking about here are also trying to approximate 'femininity', so it may present slightly differently to the shaven headed bully boy stereotype, but it's essentially the same ime.

Sorry I can't articulate it any better but I'll repeat that I find the aggression particularly frightening.

It is frightening. Aggressive behaviour intended to dominate & control is.
Perhaps have a look at the resources by The Freedom Programme?
Links to their website and others:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3452784-Coercive-Control-a-need-for-better-awareness

It was bog standard Duluth wheel behaviour.

I see what you are saying Thingy and I think I agree with you. Also wondering whether its about whether the public might condone such behaviour from transwomen in a way that they would not from men. Whatever way you look at it, though, the behaviour does not fit a pattern for how women behave.