Women 'risk health over trans NHS worker fear' article in tomorrow's Times Scotland edition

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Only have tweet link to front page so far.

https://twitter.com/thetimesscot/status/1074802181809803267?s=21

If anyone has a share token & can link to that when article online, I'd appreciate it 🙏🏻

FYI, James Morton is a transman who may require cervical screening themselves.

So kind of James to recognise that women with traumatic histories would have difficulties with their policy, not so kind of them not to see that this will affect the number of women who access these services.

This is just another example of women's needs being trampled over in service of men's wants, Plus ca change &c

I am not sure that James Morton is legally correct. Look at section 22(4)(j) of the GRA. It allows disclosure is not an offence if "the disclosure is in accordance with any provision of, or made by virtue of, an enactment other than this section." Wouldn't that mean to allow for the section 27 of schedule 3 Equality Act (single sex services) provisions to take effect?

@BigFarmer,

There are men like myself who are really angered by this whole disgusting situation, but what you and some people fail to realise, is that many "woke" women, deluded, stupid, lefty, "cool" people are also pushing this horrible agenda.
Just look at the Labour party or the SNP or the Lib Dems, to see the numbers of men and women who are supporting transgender rights over women's rights.

And if, as a transwoman, they suddenly decided that they'd like to start undertaking such tests, that'd be a big red flag for me.

This.

Absolutely this.

If I was an NHS hiring manager, the woolly nature of how these two laws interact and the potential to be sued either way would mean that I would try and steer well clear of hiring any trans HCPs.
And that’s not right.

I agree. I think women would also have a case. And no I agree that they shouldn't be discriminated against for working in a certain area. But there has to be some way to protect women's rights to privacy and dignity.

James Morton concedes that maybe it’s okay “if you’ve suffered trauma...”

Fuck off with your internalised distaste and dislike of everything female, James.

justicewomen - I think you're right. I think Morton is misrepresenting the law.

If the law is contradictory, which it is, that will need to be resolved. There is a conflict here, and there are provisions within the law for totally excluding males (and females) as an occupational requirement.

Can women also object to a male midwife? Because I don't see much difference between the examinations performed there eg.checking dilation or a sweep, and a smear test.

I can see why for cultural or religious reasons as well as personal privacy, some women wouldn't want one.

This is so sad.

I also think Morton is misrepresenting the law and I think he's well aware he's doing it.

In the comments on the article, there's a lot of debate over whether or not Morton is trans.

The hospital/clinic doesn’t have to violate the transwoman’s confidentiality if they don’t try to foist her off on patients in the first place.

They don’t have to name the transnurse. Simply ask the patient will they accept a transwoman, don’t say ‘Will you accept Nurse Brianna Twinkle-Glitter?’

Would NHS managers even be aware of the HCP's trans status? Is there any obligation for it to be disclosed or recorded? If not, then after the initial interview, no one would know unless they'd encountered the individual face to face.

I do not have a history of abuse or sexual assault.

I do have a history of extreme anxiety around intimate examinations. This is well documented. Though not properly recognised as being 'legitimate' by the NHS because of how they classify things.

By James Mortons definition I would not be 'allowed' to refuse to be treated by a trans women.

I also have issues relating to my family history, but this is dismissed as bigotry not a traumatic response which has negatively affected my mental health.

I find it fascinating how women are 'not allowed' things in health care on their own terms yet self ID which affects others and breaks all sorts of medical ethics and safeguarding is absolutely sacrosanct.

No I would not seek medical treatment if I thought I might be treated by a trans woman against my wishes and without being informed because I have major issues around trust with HCP and not having my wishes respected. It would undermine all the work that has been done by good HCPs to try and treat my anxiety in one fell swoop. It's all about trust for me.

I was not registered with a GP for over 4 years because of a poor doctor in the past and not feeling they respected me / had my best interests as their priority and were more interested in themselves and their targets than my wellbeing.

These people have no idea about mental health.

Would NHS managers even be aware of the HCP's trans status? Is there any obligation for it to be disclosed or recorded? If not, then after the initial interview, no one would know unless they'd encountered the individual face to face.

Which is why the solution is to advertise jobs in which the majority of the work is providing female intimate care under the single sex exemptions in EqA. That's what the exemptions are for.

The solution is for trans practitioners to mange the intimate healthcare of trans patients as part of their role. There must be plenty of them since they’re making such song and dance about it, riding roughshod over women’s boundaries.
Most patients may well assume a transwoman has undergone surgery and the empathy re their journey will unfairly sway the decision for some patients. Until the general public really understands what it is the trans movement is, the only criteria for intimate health based examinations for women should be the sex at birth of the practitioner.
Re James Morton being trans, maybe their contempt of women’s rights is self validation.Interesting that it seems transwomen retain their inner self identity as male still fighting for the rights of men to encroach women’s spaces, whereas transmen appear keen to discard the female and join in male misogyny. Maybe it’s all about the re-enacting of male vs female power in society.

Same-sex, female-only provision is a basic right
this

I’m paying no mind to not being “allowed” to request X. I’m rolling my eyes at all of this. It’s sad that we’re now in a position where we have to specifically refuse “treatment” from a trans man/woman(???).

The idea that if a woman says she only want female practitioners is acceptable if she has a history of abuse is preposterous. No, a woman can choose based on her choice, not the agreement of the trans cult.

I've seen people elsewhere dismiss people on here for saying that being a trans man is basically having huge internalised misogyny, but how is that not absolutely the case when you see the actions of the likes of James Morton and Stephen Whittle? My mind just boggles at them. Ok don't believe in feminism and get on living your life but to actively destroy things for women?

@hipsterfun,

Not so new, about a month now, and I have been commenting mostly on the Madigan and transgender athletes competing in women's sport.
I am very angry and disturbed about the fact, that some men who wish to ID as women, want access to women's areas/spaces/sport, because it should be obvious to any intelligent person, that this will have a negative or even dangerous effect on women.
Back in October, I posted on a cycling forum about Rachel McKinnon, the transgender cyclist, who IMHO cheated in order to win a women's World championship title. I contacted British Cycling, and asked them what their views were, on men winning women's events. They refused to answer, except to say that I shouldn't call them men because they were transgender women????
I am trying my best to spread the word about this relatively new, dangerous social contagion, but sadly not many people know what I am talking about.
I have a relation who is a teacher (she has two daughters and a son), and she said that I was being transphobic for speaking out about this, and I haven't spoken to her since.
I joined Mumsnet, because this seems to be one of the very few places where people are discussing this situation sensibly.

I would actually rather have my treatment done by a man than a transwoman who is telling me they are the female HCP I requested. My body is not an opportunity for validation of an ideology I fundamentally disagree with.

Just to add- any transwoman who would even attempt to carry out the treatment of a patient who has specifically requested a woman (so obviously important to that patient)- isn't somebody who I would feel had their patients best interests at heart.