Anna Turley MP vs David Davies MP

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How does this strike others? Anna Turley, IMO, is incredibly rude here, as is Kay Burley (surprise!) . On Twitter, KB says we should see the whole interview, but it was taken down, and replaced with this section.

Lots of support on twitter for AT. Which I don't get at all. But would be interested to hear what others thought.

Did you watch the whole thing? And any of the other coverage? Because frankly virtually everyone being interviewed on Brexit with a person of the opposite opinion today was in a bate, she's not any different to any of the others. They're all furious in their own ways and all trying to get their points across. It's incredibly volatile. But she was definitely no worse or better than anyone else - and what she was actually saying was impassioned on behalf of her constituents, which is a very good thing really.

So yes I agree with KB and no I don't think given the whole context she was at all rude, just giving as good as everyone else.

No, i didn't see the whole thing because it's not available.
I just think heaven help us, if this is the calibre of our MPs. Incapable of discussion, reduced to aggressive finger jabbing. I was listening to May addressing the HOC today, and came to the same conclusion.

Well I did see the whole thing, in fact I've had Sky on most of the day, and as I say it's pretty much what's going on all over. It's the result of the mess we're in. I wouldn't single out one female left-wing MP who represents a deprived area, why would you do that? She's fighting for people. Good for her. It's not always measured and articulate but at least she's not sounding off with a plum in her mouth while salting her assets away off-shore.

I assume it's David Davies who has a plum in his mouth? I have a lot of respect for him, as one of the tiny number of mp's who have stood up for women's rights in the face of transactivism.
And I don't think passion is an adequate substitute for intelligence.

And I singled her our because it was on my Twitter feed.

I think she’s done fine.

There are people all over social media today begging for our economy to go to shit and food and medical shortages for the poor will be character forming. It’s hard to talk rationally with people who hold such views.

What did all that talking-over and finger stabbing actually achieve though? Nothing. Did it add to the debate? No.

Are you joking? David TC Davies walked off, and "checked his phone" - that was v dismissive.

I thank David TC Davies for all his support on - er... - other issues close to my heart, but I don't agree with him at all on brexit.

Nobody would bat an eyelid at a man speaking forcefully the way Anna Turley did.

She wasn't allowing him any space to speak. I thought he was remarkably restrained as she obviously had no interest in a discussion. Just a rant.

So who did achieve anything today Lucy with either polemic, rhetoric, impassioned argument, reason, humour, nonsense or anything else? No-one. Not a single movement on Brexit today was achieved by any words that came out of anyone's mouth.
Once again - why pick on her? Because she appeared in your twitter feed, really? If I turn up at your house and make a poisoned pizza appear will you eat it, because it's appeared in front of you?

I don't think Kay Burley was very helpful here.

Fwiw, Anna Turkey went to a £30k/year boarding school in Kent while Davies went to a comprehensive in Newport, South Wales, so not sure where the 'plum in his mouth' comes from.

Redcar voted 67% to Leave, she can talk about what she likes, but recognising the overwhelming strength of feeling against the EU would be a start

Turley even. Silly festive autocorrect

Nobody would bat an eyelid at a man speaking forcefully the way Anna Turley did.

I think there is a lot of truth to that in general, but I would defend a woman who started checking her phone after being shouted at like that; it was a good way of refusing to be shouted at without shouting back. Actually I think if a man was leaning into and poking at a woman in that way he probably would get grief.

On the face of it the video looks like he was in the middle of being shouted at and not having chance to reply for some time, and that was when he chose to reply- which resulted in a quite unpleasant response. If, however, he's had lots of time to make his point and was interrupting her then it's a different story.

I agree with almost none of David Davies' politics, but I've never seen him be rude.

Longer clip here:

Kay Burley's comment on twitter to David Davies:
Shame you felt the need to have a little strop.

Her comments to other twits:
Jog on
Don't be an idiot
Bollocks

I don't watch sky. This isn't selling it to me.

If I turn up at your house and make a poisoned pizza appear will you eat it, because it's appeared in front of you?
WTF. So I'm not allowed to comment on something that's appeared on Twitter. Why shouldn't I, or anyone, criticise her behaviour? She really let herself down. Are Labour women MPs from deprived areas some kind of special creature that can't be unreasonable?

Right wing thugs have screamed misogynistic abuse at Kay Burley during her programme on College Green for the last week ( and at Faisal Islam)

Davies is a sexist right wing d* in hoc to the right wing thugs.

Kudos to Burley

I'm aware he's apparently supported feminists in the GC debate. I am deeply suspicious of him, look at who funds the trans industry.

Neither of them covered themselves in glory. However I think that most MPs are exhausted and at the end of their tether now.

I am deeply suspicious of him, look at who funds the trans industry.

What do you mean by this, apricot? Also, he hasn't 'apparently' supported feminists, he has actually supported feminists in their right to conduct a GC debate. Taken an unprecedented amount of abuse for his pains and been reported to the police. At a time when almost all other politicians are disappearing into wokedom.

GC feminists have so few allies in parliament. He has been I think literally the only one with the guts to speak out and insist that we are heard.

I disagree with his politics on almost everything else.

He's an old school tory cracker, for whom an internal labour party dispute over gender and sex is pretty useful. Trans industry is funded by extreme right wing and pharma. Magdalen Berns has posted on this. She also posted on it being used to divide the left in the US, sorry I can't find the link.

Turley was excellent, btw. Brexit is and will destroy consituencies like hers.
How any feminist can support a crumby old brexist like him is beyond me.

The footage has been taken down of Davies' appalling behaviour, but @StevePeers has re tweeted it.

I enjoyed Turley having a go. She was passionate and articulate and it seemed to me Davies was fiddling with his phone as a defence/deflection mechanism because he didn't really have a counter-argument. Burley was very much in the wrong imo for stifling robust debate.

Anna Turley is an impassioned and dedicated constituency MP. And whilst we shouldn't automatically take the side of women just because they are women, younger women are so under-represented in politics that I do think we should tend to support the women who are out there doing difficult stuff (and frankly, who would be an MP right now?)

How any feminist can support a crumby old brexist like him is beyond me.

Sorry, I think that this is an example of the kind of us and them black and white thinking that got us into the ID politics mess we're in (also contributed to Brexit IMO). It is possible to wholly support a person on a particular issue whilst disagreeing with them on other things.

I'm as surprised as anyone to be defending Davies. But I speak as I find and he could have quite easily dropped this issue. He didn't. Are you suggesting that feminists should not have been heard?

Surely a dispute within the Labour party on sex and gender would be an excellent thing? On this issue they appear to be resolutely anti feminist.

It's not always measured and articulate but at least she's not sounding off with a plum in her mouth

What has how he talks got to do with anything? It is actually Anna Turley out of the two of them who was privately educated.

Sorry, I think that this is an example of the kind of us and them black and white thinking that got us into the ID politics mess we're in (also contributed to Brexit IMO

Davies' allies were by screaming abuse at Burley (and Faisal Islam) a while they were trying to do her job at College Green yesterday. As they have done for the last week.

The problem with the labour party is simply the SWP, which has taken over the leadership. Feminists would be better served focussing their energies on them. They, like the right wing extremists that Davies panders to are the real dangers to Women's Rights.

The footage of the interview is worth watching.
Turley was detailed and eloquent on the damage 'brexit' will do to her constituency. Davies was sexist and moronic. Burley quite rightly dismissed him for his sexism.

If you don't want extremism in politics. You need protection of human rights through the ECHR and ECJ. You get that by staying in the EU.

If you look at Davies voting record you would be hard pressed to believe he supports Human Rights and our sex specific Women's Rights.

How any feminist can support a crumby old brexist like him is beyond me

I don't support him. I agree with him on some issues and disagree with him on others. That used to be how politics and debate worked.