Anna Turley MP vs David Davies MP

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How does this strike others? Anna Turley, IMO, is incredibly rude here, as is Kay Burley (surprise!) . On Twitter, KB says we should see the whole interview, but it was taken down, and replaced with this section.

Lots of support on twitter for AT. Which I don't get at all. But would be interested to hear what others thought.

Here's the article on what Davies' Brexit supporters were doing yesterday, while Burley and Turley were trying to conduct a civilised interview.

www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/probrexit-yellow-jacket-protesters-shouted-racist

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I'm aware he's apparently supported feminists in the GC debate. I am deeply suspicious of him, look at who funds the trans industry.
What are you talking about? He is clearly supported women in the GC debate. Or are you someone who thinks that all right wingers are inherently evil?

I don't think that Anna Turley actually represents her constituents at all, because she is a "remainer", whilst Redcar and Cleveland voted to leave the EU by 48K to 24K votes, so everything she is doing is going against the people who vioted her in.

Apricot as I said upthread, I don't support Davies on other issues. Davies is a social conservative and has voted accordingly. But we happen to agree that women are adult human females. We agree on free speech and we agree that the definition of 'woman' is important.

How his supporters behaved yesterday (will take your word for it) doesn't detract from the fact that Davies has actually stuck his neck out and enabled GC concerns to be heard at a high level.

This extremist attack on women, on the very definition of women as adult human females, is happening right now. Whilst we are still a member of the EU. I don't think that the EU will protect us from this particular attack if we stay in (although I'm a strong remainer for other reasons).

There will be a legislation free for all if we leave. We'll need mainstream politicians like Davies, who believe that sex exists and is relevant, to speak out. Labour is already fully aware of GC concerns but has chosen to persecute those who hold them.

Sorry for the derail OP.

How any feminist can support a crumby old brexist like him is beyond me

First I am not sure that calling elected representatives "crumbly" helps any political debate.

Second I am not sure that the Momentum/SNP strict party lines are particularly useful in a parliamentary democracy. There needs to be room for the odd free thinker, whether Frank Field or David Davies. And do we know who sets the party lines. One small example, who in Momentum was pushing so hard for Lils Madigan to be a CLP Woman's Officer. Or who did the politicial parties listen to before declaring TWAW?

Third, I found him perfectly personable when I met him during the Linda Bellos court thing, and some of the very well respected long-time feminists clearly had no problem either. Presumably nor do his mid Wales constituents (perhaps excluding Dr Helen Webbersley!) It is ironic that public support for Linda Bellos came from Richard Littlejohn and David Davies, whilst some on the left were busy no platforming her.

I have no idea if the Sky interview was typical, has context, or simply a bad day at the office. However there is no doubt he has been busy lately.

I think these articles are interesting. Wherever you stand on legalising cannabis or on giving trans children hormones, you can probably agree that there is a common Big-Pharma angle. Again Davis does not seem to be afraid to stick his head above the parapet. Agree with him or not, he is a brave man. with a target on his back?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6475581/Sheer-gall-cannabis-oil-baron.html

Conservative MP David Davies, vice-chairman of the All-Party Parliamentary Group on Cannabis: Harmful Effects On Developing Brains, said: ‘Many people think that cannabis companies are small, family-owned businesses, but there are big companies which stand to make a lot of money. They have made millions from legalisation for recreational use in Canada and we must be vigilant against it happening here.’

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6500265/British-pump-MILLIONS-cannabis-products-branded-Mr-Nice.html

Link again Mary
www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/probrexit-yellow-jacket-protesters-shouted-racist-abuse-at-sky-journalist-faisal-islam-a4019931.html

Has anyone heard Davies countering this abuse to Burley and Turley?
No, me neither.

All a bit previous, with what's going to be done to us in April.

I sometimes wonder why mumsnet allows 'feminist' threads, then I realise.

He's a patronising cock. Yes he let some women use a room, but he's hardly Mr Feminist, is he?

Yes he let some women use a room
He organised the meeting. Name me one other MP who has shown ANY interest in this, apart from Caroline Flint.
Has anyone heard Davies countering this abuse to Burley and Turley?
Why do you think they are directly his supporters?

What was Turley's position on GRA reforms?

I ask because I have no idea and would be really happy to hear that she took a pro-women stance, in line with the views of the majority of her constituents. .

Labour women on the whole aren't doing great at the mo. Have yet to hear a peep out of Turley regarding the whole TWAW thing, then there's Beckett and Thornberry backing Bercow over the bullying because they need him for Brexit purposes

Yes, well being a white male conservative MP, you don't cop quite as much flack as you would if you were female for allowing women to use a meeting room in the HoC (which is as far as his involvement went really- it's not like he's been organising marches or anything). He doesn't seem that interested in women's issues in general though.

As for Anna Turley's position on GRA reforms, I don't know and I wasn't aware that Parliament had voted on it so that anyone's record on it is available. This is about Brexit and I support her views on Brexit 100%. Brexit and the ensuing financial crisis will have a horrendous impact on those from lower socio-economic groups and women in particular. That twit Davies doesn't give a shit about that though. If you think that the biggest challenge facing women is the GRA reform, and that you will only support those who hold the same view on GRA, then that's naive. Brexit and Universal Credit will mean that many more women will be unable to feed themselves and their children. I would be jabbing my finger in his face too. The Tories have turned this country to shite.

Funkyfunkybeat12 I'm too tired and demoralised to contribute any more to this thread but I 100% agree with what you've just posted, so thank you.

I will be the first one to say it... Anna Turley will be Labour PM one day.

She is articulate, bright, hard working and well meaning. (I’m not a labour supporter, or Anna Turley!)

I'm quite happy to say that I agree with DD on some issues, and not on others. Ditto Anna Turley

Enid - I agree it would be worth a tenner at Ladbroke's on Turley's future prospects

he's hardly Mr Feminist, is he?

You don't need to be a feminist to find something concerning do you?

Life isn't black and white, it's not good people vs bad people.

It is ironic that public support for Linda Bellos came from Richard Littlejohn and David Davies, whilst some on the left were busy no platforming her.

Yeah, yet DD didn't think that Linda or other gay people should be permitted to marry the person they love, and RL makes constant homophobic 'jokes' in his disgusting racist columns. So I guess it is quite ironic.

You don't need to be a feminist to find something concerning do you?

Nope, but if I was looking to generally improve the lives of women in the UK, I sure as fuck know who I would choose between Anna Turley and David Davies.

Right, do you have to choose between them?

Right, do you have to choose between them?

Nobody is forcing you to at gunpoint but when you vote, you generally do tend to vote for the party you support and these two people are in different parties. They also have very different views on an event which is likely to have a monumental impact on this country, especially those who are already at the margins. So, yes, I would say it's quite hard to stay neutral.

you generally do tend to vote for the party you support

Do you not vote according to which party has the well-being of those around you at heart?
Do you really blindly vote only for that one party?

What happens if the party you normally vote for starts to change its core ideology and turns it's back on you?

Do you still vote?

How odd, I tend to vote for the party whose current political outlook and policies alone with my current views.

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Do you not vote according to which party has the well-being of those around you at heart?

Of course I do and it sure as hell isn't the Tories. Do you genuinely think David Davies has women's interests in his heart? Really? Yet, he's backing a political action that will plunge so many women into the most desperate poverty. His party are rolling out a humiliating, degrading system of benefits payments that are leaving people suicidal and causing them to lose their homes.