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Anna Turley MP vs David Davies MP

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lucydo · 17/12/2018 17:53

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How does this strike others? Anna Turley, IMO, is incredibly rude here, as is Kay Burley (surprise!) . On Twitter, KB says we should see the whole interview, but it was taken down, and replaced with this section.

Lots of support on twitter for AT. Which I don't get at all. But would be interested to hear what others thought.

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Funkyfunkybeat12 · 18/12/2018 22:29

Do you still vote?

The problem is that Labour's leader is also pro-Brexit, but if they got rid of him and appointed a pro-Remain leader eg Keir Starmer, I would vote for Labour and I would do everything in my power to stop people becoming even poorer than they are now. I think Brexit and welfare are such core feminist issues. I absolutely cannot ever vote for any party that supports Universal Credit and wants to make the poor poorer. That goes to my core ideology.

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 18/12/2018 22:29

Do you genuinely think David Davies has women's interests in his heart? Really?

No, and I didn't vote for him, however he is currently speaking out about and issue which concerns me, for which he has my support.

leaving people suicidal

Don't weaponise suicide.

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 18/12/2018 22:30

So to answer the original question, no it's not a choice for you. Great.

Funkyfunkybeat12 · 18/12/2018 22:41

Don't weaponise suicide.

Excuse me? Have you seen interviews of people who have been affected by the Universal Credit system/the general way this government treats anyone in need of a bit of help and support like they're dirt on someone's shoe? It's by no means an exaggeration.

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 18/12/2018 22:52

1)I didn't say it wasn't true, I said don't weaponise it, which is what that statement is.
2) the guardian isn't exactly factually accurate right now, having at least 2 arrivals corrected.
3) I'm an autistic adult, in well aware of how the government treats me.

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 18/12/2018 22:52

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CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 18/12/2018 22:55

Don't use "universal ctedit makes people suicidal" to try and win arguments which have nothing to do with the universal credit system in the first place.

Funkyfunkybeat12 · 18/12/2018 22:56

I don’t really understand that. I am concerned about government policies that are leaving people so desperate that they can’t see a way out. Is talking about that ‘weaponising’ now? Why should people not be allowed to express outrage and concern at the impact it is having? The guardian is citing a study- are you suggesting it’s not true?

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 18/12/2018 22:58

are you suggesting it’s not true
See point 1 above
I am concerned about government policies that are leaving people so desperate that they can’t see a way out

See the post above which I should have labeled point 4

Funkyfunkybeat12 · 18/12/2018 22:58

Well we disagree about relevance then. I think the way the conservatives are treating people is part of this whole issue. Am I allowed to say that Brexit is likely to lead to increased reliance on food banks? Or is that weaponising poverty? A female MP was criticised for showing emotion and I was pointing out that I 100% share her emotion over this whole preventable mess.

Funkyfunkybeat12 · 18/12/2018 23:00

It’s all linked together. The state provides very little support and stigmatises the poor. The government is proposing to make things even worse and people who speak out against it are criticised for being ‘rude’.

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 18/12/2018 23:05

You are allowed to say what you like, free speech is awesome.
I'm pissed that labour shut down the local remploy factories. Putting a lot of people with learning disabilities out of work and onto the benefit system in the first place.

Funkyfunkybeat12 · 18/12/2018 23:08

True. Labour is hardly blameless, but compared to the Tories, they are more committed to social justice.

And yes, I can say what I like, which is why I objected to your phrasing of telling me ‘don’t’ say certain things. I don’t think the horrific effects of government policies should in any way be hushed up. The government has blood on its hands.

redredrobins · 18/12/2018 23:12

I saw the whole interview, the labour MP wouldn't let Davis get a word in. He let her speak without interrupting her but she didn't give him the same courtesy, she pointed, wagged her finger at him, spoke over him and just behaved appallingly. Kate Burley did not try and control the discussion at all and surprise, surprise was clearly biased against Davis.
He clearly was annoyed that he was not given a chance to speak, and I think the checking his phone was to make the point that they were not willing to have an evenhanded discussion. A way of saying he might as well not be there.

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 18/12/2018 23:13

I objected to your phrasing of telling me ‘don’t’ say certain things. I don’t think the horrific effects of government policies should in any way be hushed up. *

You are on a support forum frequented by a lot of people who have disabilities, people who are in various states of need, some in the situation you have described. I'm not telling you to hush things up, just don't weaponise suicide to try and win an argument about voting.

Funkyfunkybeat12 · 18/12/2018 23:15

Feminism chat is not a support forum! It’s a place for discussing issues affecting women! Including political issues and their impact. Suicide is discussed on here frequently. This isn’t the MH boards.

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 18/12/2018 23:18

Mumsnet is a support forum.
This is feminism support and discussion is it not?

Suicide is discussed on here frequently.

Yes it's discussed, but it's not used frequently in the way you used, it is it.

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 18/12/2018 23:21

This was in reply to my post about supporting an MP who currently shares my concern:

His party are rolling out a humiliating, degrading system of benefits payments that are leaving people suicidal and causing them to lose their homes.

It had nothing to do with the discussion.

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 18/12/2018 23:23

Anyway, we've made our points, anything else will be going around in circles.

Funkyfunkybeat12 · 18/12/2018 23:30
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lucydo · 18/12/2018 23:53

That twit Davies doesn't give a shit about that though. If you think that the biggest challenge facing women is the GRA reform, and that you will only support those who hold the same view on GRA, then that's naive
No, it's you that's being naive. Not one person on this thread are saying that they necessarily support DD. Just that it's stupid to demonise people just because they are right wing, and pointing out that, at the moment, the right wing has proved a hell of a lot more GC than the rest.
Calling someone a twit, and assuming that you know their motives, is just childish.

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Funkyfunkybeat12 · 18/12/2018 23:55

No, you’re right. It’s much better to demonise a woman because she makes a hand gesture and gets angry over an emotive topic.

Funkyfunkybeat12 · 18/12/2018 23:57

And when you say the right wing is supportive, you can see the holes though can’t you? DD will make the odd public comment in favour of Linda Bellos, but he won’t vote to allow her to marry the person she chooses. I won’t even comment on Richard Littlejohn because I don’t think anyone on here has shown support for him, but his views on immigration are interesting let’s say.

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lucydo · 19/12/2018 00:01

so DON'T comment on RL Xmas Confused
and I thought to tories passed gay marriage legislation? (is that what the Linda Bellos thing is about?)
and AT hasn't been demonised. Just criticised. You are aware of the difference?

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