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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Mermaids given £500,000 by National Lottery (Sunday Times)

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crsacre · 16/12/2018 00:51

A transgender charity that campaigns for children to be given prohibited sex-change treatment has been awarded £500,000 by the national lottery.

The payment to Mermaids has angered MPs, feminists and women’s organisations, who accuse the charity of bullying doctors, promoting falsehoods and using “emotional blackmail” to pressure parents to support life-changing medical interventions for their children. Mermaids will use the money to create a network of 45 groups nationwide.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/child-sex-change-charity-handed-500-000-by-national-lottery-dvbt7t2kb?shareToken=cd8d6faad97cd9dd3fe3f16eb3810f45

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HandsOffMyRights · 17/12/2018 14:21

Excellent news. The pressure will be on now. They will be subjected to emotional blackmail/gaslighting and threats.

Have you notice how Susie steps back while the minions do the bidding? When is she going to get her hands dirty?

HandsOffMyRights · 17/12/2018 14:29

Don't forget Susie frequently accesses Govt influencers, stakeholders and funders. A typical tweet:

Mermaids given £500,000 by National Lottery (Sunday Times)
Needmoresleep · 17/12/2018 14:29

I assume it is worth people who have not yet written to do so.

My gut feel is that there are some many connections that they are dominos. Mermaids can be questioned because of links to Dr Helen. If Mermaids does not stand up to closer examination, Stonewall and its #nodebate support, can be questioned.

There are too many jobs at stake. Stonewall/TRA lobbying will step up. The more ordinary mums, with their own experiences and testimonies explain why the Mermaids approach worries them sick, the better. I am so so glad that my DC got through childhood and adolescence before this gender bollocks started. They at least had a chance to become the young adults, happy within their own skins, they were destined to be without being pushed stereotypes and the medical interventions.

theOtherPamAyres · 17/12/2018 14:33

The accusation of 'transphobia' and 'terf' no longer has the power it once had.

TRAs will have to come up with something better - like making a fact-based rational case for the Big Lottery to take a safeguarding risk in the face of public disquiet.

As someone pointed out on Twitter, the the accusation of terf is as meaningless as 'One Direction hater'. It just doesn't stop the grassroots from growing and spreading anymore.

HandsOffMyRights · 17/12/2018 14:36

It's not in the Government's interest to let this fall. They are at the heart of this. Due to one or all of the words listed at the foot of this message.

What dirt does somebody have on our elected political representatives?

This is why the likes of Bercow won't allow questions, why Stonewall has unfetered access to schools (despite being a pressure group) and Susie sits among them. As does Ruth Hunt et all.

Sex. Money. Power

DietCokeIsBae · 17/12/2018 14:46

I find this thread absolutely disgusting and highly doubt that any of the people posting here will need the service that this organisation provides.

I can't understand why people who are not involved feel the need to stick their noses in to campaigns like this. Do you all believe that there are people out there who want to see all our young people transgender, even against their will?

You have a nerve posting this in the feminism thread. This is no kind of feminism - it is no kind of equality activism whatsoever and you should all feel ashamed that you are actively trying to discredit a service that provides mental health support for young people and their parents.

whatsthecomingoverthehill · 17/12/2018 14:52

No one thinks that mermaids wants to make every kid transgender. What concerns people is that the 'service' they provide is affirmative only and might lead to improper medicalisation of children. They work in schools, pushing an ideology that allows no investigation into what is going on. It is an actively harmful view of gender that they promulgate and I don't want my kids to be able to be influenced by it.

Needmoresleep · 17/12/2018 14:53

Exactly.

The Stonewall reach within Government is huge and unacceptable. They are a lobbying organisation ffs. Lobbying to take away womens rights and protections for the vulnerable. Without any obvious form of democratic accountability. (Aimee Challenor is Secretary to their Trans Advisory Committee whose members are alowed to remain anonymous.) Plus they write policy for schools.

The journalist who shines a light on Stonewall's role in Government will be a very brave journalist. As will any editor who allows such an article to be published.

But Mermaids can be, and must be, stopped.

Moderate and reasonable voices, if there are enough of them, can do it.

So write!

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 17/12/2018 14:54

Stand by and watch an organisation with a dangerous agenda? Oh that’s ok then. Let them create havoc the pick up the pieces.

madmum5811 · 17/12/2018 14:57

Dietcake, with all due respect if mums on here are worried about what is happening to their children in schools re: certain minorities coming into influence them, it does not make them bad parents but loving concerned parents imo. If they thought the family needed advice they would go to the NHS for advice I would have thought.

RedToothBrush · 17/12/2018 14:59

I can't understand why people who are not involved feel the need to stick their noses in to campaigns like this. Do you all believe that there are people out there who want to see all our young people transgender, even against their will?

  1. How do you know it doesn't affect them directly?
  2. Mermaids don't like Safeguarding Norms. Why should they be above them?
  3. Why SHOULDN'T anyone be concerned about ANY organisation which is seemingly above safeguarding norms, as this has implications for ALL safeguarding, not just particular charity?

If the lottery are not properly scruntising where money goes, the public have every right to question this.

As for the feminism comment, stop spouting utter bollocks. See above points or perhaps read the thread.

DietCokeIsBae · 17/12/2018 14:59

Needmoresleep If your child isn't trandsgender and has never questioned their gender in any way then why would they be influenced to become transgender just because someone comes into their school assembly to do a talk.

What is so wrong about transgender people anyway? What does it even matter?

DietCokeIsBae · 17/12/2018 15:00

Madmum I repeat - what is so wrong with transgender people? Why is everyone fearing that their children may become trans?

Pennydrew142 · 17/12/2018 15:01

DietCokeIsBae

Oh shut up. Who are you to come here and tell us what does or does not belong here? Or what should concern us. Not feminism? Ffs nothing is more feminist than preventing child abuse and sterilisation of young girls. No, nobody here will need this dangerous woman’s ‘services’ because nobody here would contact a completely unprofessional organisation which sends vulnerable children to a convicted doctor who ignores the law and medicates healthy children.

Pennydrew142 · 17/12/2018 15:02

what is so wrong with transgender people?

Nothing. They’re perfectly fine as they are and no child needs to be given hormones to conform to gender stereotypes.

Bowlofbabelfish · 17/12/2018 15:02

dietcoke mermaids guidance for schools is incompatible with safeguarding. It actively contradicts a few of the most key points.

That places all children in danger but it particularly exposes children who are questioning their gender because it places them totally outside the normal safeguarding framework of guidance from mermaids is followed.

Do you think that’s acceptable?

happydappy2 · 17/12/2018 15:04

There are many deserving charities, I hope the money is quickly reallocated and not tied up in beurocracy. Parents concerns about the dangers of pushing children towards surgery at ever younger ages, are completely valid. Dietcoke yr rage will get you nowhere-we care about children.

Pennydrew142 · 17/12/2018 15:06

Why does it matter?

Because mermaids and Susie green promote medicalisation of healthy children. Susie Green castrated her child ffs.

In addition, a disproportionate amount of children refered to the gender clinic are autistic. Autistic people are often gender non conforming and can be highly suspectible to pressure to fit in and belong. Many of the women here are autistic and/or parents of autistic children. We are deeply concerned about sterilisation of a generation of autistic people.

DietCokeIsBae · 17/12/2018 15:07

PennyDrew but they aren't 'who they are' if they're not in the right body are they? You can't force somebody to stay in the body that they feel uncomfortable in. And not every child is immediately want to jump into taking hormones and getting reassignment surgery - many of them do dress and present themselves as their preferred gender before ever entertaining these routes.

Why do we think that the people entering these sorts of avenues are completely uneducated about the process and easily influenced. It is a very long and laborious process to get a child onto hormones and there are strict age limits that are followed by doctors country-wide. It's not like we're handing them out to 10 year olds.

whatsthecomingoverthehill · 17/12/2018 15:07

DietCoke
Are you aware of the massive increase in tween/teenage girls (in particular) declaring themselves to be trans? Are you aware of the fierce criticism that anyone trying to research this phenomenon is subject to?

VickyEadie · 17/12/2018 15:11

but they aren't 'who they are' if they're not in the right body are they? You can't force somebody to stay in the body that they feel uncomfortable in.

Nonsense. No-one is "not in the right body". Gender dysphoria is not being 'in the wrong body'.

And most children and young people who believe themselves to be trans change their belief when they're older as long as they're not given powerful drugs that cause irreparable damage to their young bodies.

AngryAttackKittens · 17/12/2018 15:11

It's not like we're handing them out to 10 year olds.

Of course not! Dr Helen Webberly, official Friend of Mermaids, waits till they're 12.

happydappy2 · 17/12/2018 15:11

Dr H is about to implode on twitter.....

papayasareyum · 17/12/2018 15:12

Diet Coke, what are your thoughts on Dr.Helen Webberly?

LangCleg · 17/12/2018 15:12

That places all children in danger but it particularly exposes children who are questioning their gender because it places them totally outside the normal safeguarding framework of guidance from mermaids is followed.

Dietcoke clearly thinks it's absolutely fine to drive a coach and horses through safeguarding frameworks that protect the very children they think they are advocating for.

Confidential disclosures; parental alienation; involvement of relevant agencies: all vital in protecting gender-questioning children. Mermaids wants to shred them.

And we are the bad guys?

Don't make me laugh.

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