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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Why does MN feminism focus on trans?

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Bestwestpest · 16/12/2018 00:49

Just that really. I'm admittedly not sold on the whole trans agenda. But aren't there bigger issues? I fear there are greater risks to women from men than from trans 'women'.

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stillathing · 16/12/2018 11:53

i thought the tra movement had actually tried to appropriate "female". they've certainly appropriated the word "feminism". maybe because "female" also applies to other mammals it wasn't so easy to steal. declaring the term "female" to be transphobic looks to me like an accidental admission of their failure.

it is a bit of a relief to find there is still a word i can use to accurately describe my sex class when i need to.

Neurotrash · 16/12/2018 11:58

It's a massive fucking safeguarding loophole that no one in government has cottoned on to, few in the media have tackled and anyone who does (especially women) is accused of hate crimes or much worse (they get doxxed attacked etc).

It's also very closely tied to the whole gender stereotype issue which when you have children you learn can be a big problem for your own children. Plus the safeguarding. Which of course, all parents think about constantly and where there's a massive loophole in many areas; guides guides, some schools etc. Which few organisations or government agencies are recognising.... and so it goes on.

Neurotrash · 16/12/2018 11:59

*Girl guides.

Neurotrash · 16/12/2018 12:00

Mn is pretty much the only place it can be discussed without fear.

R0wantrees · 16/12/2018 12:04

i thought the tra movement had actually tried to appropriate "female". they've certainly appropriated the word "feminism". maybe because "female" also applies to other mammals it wasn't so easy to steal.

Some influential transwomen assert that they are female eg Sarah Brown (Stonewall / Lib Dems) & Sue Pascoe (Channel 4 adviser / Mesmac / Conservatives).
Sue Pascoe. who has made public that she has a GRC made this explicit on Sky interview earlier this year (from 3:20)

news.sky.com/story/we-need-to-combat-moral-hysteria-over-gender-recognition-11440618

stillathing · 16/12/2018 12:19

Thanks r0 I knew I'd come across instances of that somewhere!

It is spun that we are trying to "gatekeep" womanhood, as if it is some private members club. What this has underlined to me is that, personally, I don't often need to differentiate my sex class from that of males. I have friends of both sexes and we don't tend to do "girls' nights" or "boys nights". I am friendly with both halves of the hetero partnerships I know. I'm lucky to have worked in a female run environment for a long time so I don't see sex discrimination at work on a daily basis.

But the times I do need to distinguish between males and females it is a genuine and serious need! eg for health, ptsd, safeguarding and personal safety reasons.

I feel like this must be a disappointment to trans activists.

stumbledin · 16/12/2018 20:27

Why does MN feminism focus on trans?

Because it is the most overt signifier that the male backlash against women to undermine the advances of women's liberation not only happened but if we dont resist will suceed.

The basis of women's liberation is our shared experience of discrimination, violence and restrictions that women face just because of our sex, whether by individual men or patriarchal society.

The issue of gender dysphoria has been hijacked by MRAs who are using it as a sledgehammer to undermine the limited victories women have achieved, eg sex discrimination laws, financial independence rights, etc., etc., etc..

If you accept the trans narrative that sex is immaterial or is no different to having an "identity" then you effectively remove the material reality of women's discrimination, ie biological sex.

It also removes from women the right to self determine and be autonomous as it is an attempt to occupy women's territory, a form of colonialism.

And what many women have found, are now finding, is that while we were busy at the grass roots level sharing and supporting other women, MRAs through the priviledge of male networks have been working to undermine women's rights by influencing government, educators and the media to erase women's sex class analysis of the basis of our oppression by implying that basis (sex) does not exist.

The male backlash started with queer politics infiltrating universities back in the 80s. Women's studies became gender studies and so on. Products of that education who moved into the media happily colluded by changing language so that most media outlets now exclusively use (inappropriately) gender when they are talking / reporting about sex. (In the same way that the NUJ gave in and started using the phrase sex worker instead of prostitute.)

Perhaps the biggest realisation / shock is realising how willing all parts of society were happy to go along with this. The what had seemed like an achievement of getting society to recognise that women were discriminated against, was so easily pushed out from the agenda.

It has reached a peak now because what had seemed like harmless tokenism of the original GRA was in fact the trojan horse that misogynists were / are going to use to erase women's rights (eg Stonewall admiting it wanted to have Sex removed as a protected characteristic in the EA). Women became aware of the gulf it was creating between themselves and younger people (including our own children) who are effectively a 2nd or 3rd genderation bought up hearing and being taught that sex is no different to gender.

It impacts on the provision of women's services, eg Rape Crisis and Women's Aid, as well as the impact on women's working lives of pregnancy and children. If women are not a biological class but an identity how can you provide appropriate services or support.

In many ways it is almost as though we are trying to shut the stable door after the horse has bolted. So many aspects of our society have been permeated with this false narrative.

And part of the anger / despair is realising how little we have been valued as women asserting our rights that nobody until we started to push back.

It is no different than if a forum for BAME people started to focus on transracialism if they found out that behind their backs white people had been maneuvering to eradicate the reality of racism by denying race.

stumbledin · 16/12/2018 20:31

Sorry for the long ramble, but have left of the most important part.

The trans narrative excuses / pardons men. It means they can say they are not the problem.

If the basis of women's discrimination is their sex, then the perpetrators of it are the male sex.

Reject the notion of the reality of sex, and hey presto, men can no longer be accused of sex class oppression!

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