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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Period poverty / 'bleeders'

446 replies

Beagadorsrock · 10/12/2018 14:07

"
❤️Jane Austen was a Super Plus fan, Lizzie preferred a Mooncup + Emma didn't leave Hartfield without her Thinx. But some bleeders in the UK can't afford sanitary products, imagine the scandal at the ball!💃🏽 Donate to @bloodygood__ this Festive Period & help someone's #flowhoho❣️"

twitter.com/ladycariad/status/1072068738147631104

Very disappointing. I can't believe we are back in the Middle Ages so comprehensively.
And no, using 'bleeder' is not "more inclusive" because it includes trans men. It is massively, massively reducing women to a (distasteful and historically considered 'impure') bodily function.

Can I start referring to men as "standuppissers"?

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ErrolTheDragon · 13/12/2018 11:15

Presumably seen as anti-trans because their thoughtlessly derogatory language was supposed to be 'inclusive' of transmen - but they could have picked other words or phrases to accomplish that, as discussed upthread.

Women and girls wouldn't have liked being described as 'bleeders' completely irrespective of the motivations for using it. But before the rise of the TRAs no-one would have done so.

Pennydrew142 · 13/12/2018 11:16

Anti trans? It is not anti trans to point out and challlenge dehumanisation of women and misogynistic abuse, which is what ‘bleeders’ is. If you want to include trans, just say their fucking names: transgirls and transmen. Who says they like being called bleeders? Or non-menstruators? Anything in that bile from penis news about the fact they still use the word ‘men’? No? Why aren’t they called non-menstruators or non-bleeders? Or wankers?

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 13/12/2018 11:17

Why should women agree to be called by a degrading and horrible term that came from gay men? Like breeders. Horrible put down tacky terms.

hackmum · 13/12/2018 11:22

"Anti-trans trolls" - the Pink News term for women who aren't fucking doormats.

Could they be more misogynistic?

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 13/12/2018 11:23

I suspect it’s their term for 99.9% of women and a few men.

Do they share the same PR company as Millwall?

R0wantrees · 13/12/2018 11:23

Pink News misogyny called out in After Ellen article:
www.afterellen.com/general-news/567505-male-run-pink-news-at-odds-with-lesbian-community

Bowlofbabelfish · 13/12/2018 11:42

It reminds me of what Lucy McDonagh wrote about Goldsmiths and the Deptford People's Project.

I came on here to say exactly this ereshkigal. Woke idiots.

I spent last week putting together baby and infant stuff to donate to women who need it (many of whom are asylum seekers who have fled some horrific situations with young children.) I showed this to the friend who coordinates it and asked her what she thought those women would think.

Her answer was ‘confused, because it’s need explaining then I think I bit baffled and disturbed but they wouldn’t feel able to say anything because they have nothing.’

Bleeders ffs. some of these women have experienced torture. many have fled battle zones.

Utter, utter idiots.

Pennydrew142 · 13/12/2018 11:51

Bleeders ffs. some of these women have experienced torture. many have fled battle zones.

Precisely.

ChewyLouie · 13/12/2018 11:55

I expect a significant proportion have been subject to sexual abuse too. They finally get to a place of safety- breathe, start to relax and they access help from pillocks centring mens feelings as a priority. Wouldn’t be surprised if they propose transwomen hand them out so they feel included. Sod the traumatised women. I’m tempted to set up a charity myself, can’t be that difficult if numpties are doing it 😉

ErrolTheDragon · 13/12/2018 11:57

"Anti-trans trolls" - the Pink News term for women who aren't fucking doormats.
*
Could they be more misogynistic?*

They do seem to adhere to a few of the rules pretty well.

https://www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/comments/6kkeni/theerulesoffmisogyny/

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 13/12/2018 11:58

Or come from a culture where women are shunned or considered ‘dirty’ when they have their period - or deemed marriageable on their first one. It’s. Or a fucking joke to them. It is - literally - life or death for some. Not some right on ‘Don’t upset the men’ fucking hobby horse.

Show some compassion, grown up thinking and bloody empathy for the people you deal with for Christ sake.

RKWill · 13/12/2018 13:07

Controversial opinion here, but there appears to be a lot of focus on one tweet. I don't doubt that if one post you typed in your life, and I include myself in this, was used to define who you are as a person, many of us may not come across as well as we'd like to. While you may not agree with the language BGP use, they do some incredible work supporting people who have nothing, through no fault of their own. If you don't feel the need to support them, then don't it is your choice, but please try to channel your rage not into the fact that the tweet was posted, but the fact that it is 2018 and those who have periods are missing school/work, skipping meals so that they can buy a tampon, being in severe pain while on their period because they cannot afford painkillers for their cramps, and having countless other horrific experiences due to not being able to afford something menstrual supplies. And spend your time supporting a cause that helps them, or another cause close to your heart.

FloralBunting · 13/12/2018 13:15

Yes, obviously the women here objecting to being called bleeders are going to be totally against dealing with the significant issues of disadvantage and difficulty around female biology in human culture.

We really should just be grateful that there is anyone willing to do something to help, and ignore the derogatory and dehumanizing language.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 13/12/2018 13:16

Support those who don’t choose to side with those who would deny us the word ‘woman’ via a charity that helps those women who are in desperate need - they don’t choose to go cap in hand to a charity.

Let them at least have their dignity - not being called ‘bleeders’ or used as a gender pawn. It’s not kind.

It was ‘well intentioned’ from the trans POV - preachy, woke, cookie-worthy and offensive to those it should be helping.
So what audience did it serve? Men. For a menstruation charity 🙄.

R0wantrees · 13/12/2018 13:19

'Susan Cox on Queer Theory
Excerpts from a January 2017 interview with Susan Cox and Derrick Jensen about queer theory'

concludes:
"So this is what queer theory does. There are no material relations of power or exploitation or harm. There are merely these phantoms of social norms that are causing the harm, these categorizations of people, the categorization of pedophile, or the BDSM or the sadist, even.”

“This is actually a real problem, because as Mary Daly said, “We cannot fight against oppression when there are no namable oppressors.” So this is a real problem for feminism, and also for any sort of activism or revolution, political revolution, when we cannot establish class consciousness and identify the division of classes. Who are the exploiters, who are the exploited?”

“And postmodernist theory argues that we need to deconstruct the creation of the category of “other” and make it so that there is no distinction between groups, and everybody is recognized as infinitely unique individuals who are irreducible to any social category of description. But in reality you actually need to identify yourself as member of an exploited class and unite together in class interest to be able to fight any power that is oppressing you.”

“We see this throughout history, throughout any act of slavery, colonization, or oppression. The dominant group can’t subordinate another group merely through brute force. They also need to engage in this sophisticated process of dismantling the group as a group, and this is done through banning their language, their religion and destroying their way of life.”

“This is also what happens in any strategy of oppression. The oppressed group is turned into nothing more than a parody of what they once were, and a commodity, like sacred cultural symbols are turned into this exotic pattern that the dominant group will tile their bathroom with. Or religious garb will just turn into this fun costume that the dominant group will use when they’re at a costume party and play. So it reduces the people, the oppressed group to nothing more than a performance, and a parody.

And this is what it’s being advocated for in queer theory, that a woman is nothing more than a performance, she is just a citation of a norm, and anyone can put on this costume. It’s basically the obliteration of the oppressed group.”

therearesomanythingswrongwiththis.com/2018/03/22/susan-cox-on-queer-theory/

(ht Glinner)

ScipioAfricanus · 13/12/2018 13:32

If you don't feel the need to support them, then don't it is your choice, but please try to channel your rage not into the fact that the tweet was posted

It isn’t just that the tweet was posted - it is that the company/charity doubled down and accused anyone who didn’t like being called a ‘bleeder’ (in my background, a pretty uncouth term for someone unlikeable or badly behaved) of being transphobic and not caring about anyone in need.

Thankfully, as a middle aged woman I have got enough rage both for the tweet and for the maltreatment of women and girls. I also spent two years volunteering with refugees on a regular basis so I am pretty happy with how I’ve spent my energies.

Popchyk · 13/12/2018 13:32

It isn't just one Tweet, though, is it?

Their website refers to men and non-menstruators.

Have a think about why men get to keep their own noun but women don't get to keep theirs. In a campaign about menstruation.

Also have a think about this campaign for prostate cancerMen United.

Do you think this campaign should be encouraged to change their name and ensure that the word man and men are replaced by language that doesn't exclude women? If not, why not?

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 13/12/2018 13:35

Non cis men. There you go. They want a nice label then there’s one.

But transmen don’t do they? Who hears their voices whining about the nasty menz not letting them play with their power tools and use their changing rooms. Or fish used condoms out of bins to play make believe.

Ali1cedowntherabbithole · 13/12/2018 13:36

BGP are too busy signalling how marvellous they are to think.

How does calling menstrating women bleeders help
People in domestic abuse situations? How does it support those from a culture where women try to maintain quiet dignity ? How does it help those on UC who are too poor to care about being trendy? And how the feck does it make a shiny bit of difference to women who can't read in their own language, never mind in English?

Pennydrew142 · 13/12/2018 13:44

RKWill

Firstly, no it isn’t one tweet at all. It’s emails, additional tweets and their own website which amongst other things refers to menopausal women as ‘non menstruators’.

If you had bothered to READ THE ENTIRE THREAD you’d know this.

Secondly, don’t you dare come to a feminism board and tell women what we should be bothered by or doing with our time. Misogynistic gross behaviour. Bore off.

Pennydrew142 · 13/12/2018 13:46

RKWill

Oh gosh, silly me. I should of checked before bothering to reply.

This person just created this account for this thread. Don’t bother replying further

stillathing · 13/12/2018 14:04

And spend your time supporting a cause that helps them, or another cause close to your heart.

And its precisely because many of us do with either our careers or our voluntary action that we care about this issue.

I work with refugees regularly (but I tend to save most of my virtue signalling for when I am not scared into online anonymity otherwise what's the point?!) They are an extremely marginalised community which goes without saying. Women on the margins stand to lose the most from poor government decisions be it austerity or the erosion of single sex services.

Just because they do some good it does not mean BGP are incapable of harm. And there's something about the cloak of respectability that charitable organisations wear that makes the harm harder to call out. Think how long before the Oxfam abuse scandal came out in the open.

I am angry with any organisation or individual who purports to be for women but who hold misogynist beliefs. They take platforms, positions and funding. I don't think it's necessary for me to wrap my anger in platitudes about the good intentions that I'm sure the BGP people also have.

Mumfun · 13/12/2018 14:11

Such a good point Hackmum and previous posters. The TRAs are in gender prison. And they are also in adult human female prison. They think adult human females should just do all the gentle womanly stuff. They cannot conceive that you do that plus being either a QC lawyer or a farmer or a top flight pilot or a boxer or a mayor.

It is the intelligence and willingness to think broadly that sets apart the gender critical Trans folk and supporters. The others are stuck

And again it is so weird for TRAs to aspire to being women without 1) understanding them at all 2) Empathising with them 3) and also with actually hating them which many seem to also

adultFemaleElf · 13/12/2018 14:34

Did someone really come on just to tell us what to think.
And that we can’t multi task and be both angry about misogyny AND nice and helpful to people in need. People who happen to be women, suffering because of structural misogyny.
We have to choose, be nice or be angry.

RKWill please consider that in the time it took you to create an account, do the email clicky thing and write your notice to us, you could have been saving the world. Now which is the better use of your time huh?

thatwouldbeanecumenicalmatter · 13/12/2018 14:53

adultfemaleElf - they’ll not be back - too busy saving depressed badgers - unlike us selfish arses. I don’t know how I sleep at night smh.