Criminal gender GP Helen Webberley fined £12k

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Criminal record, struck off, £12k fine, £2k fine for her company, £11.3k costs.
www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-46400184

Not sure it will stop her criminal activity seems to be a relatively mild deterrent . Future convictions could hopefully lead to prison ?

Unfortunately she's not been struck off, just suspended - presumably while she's beigg investigated. The formal term for striking off is erasure.

Ah. Thanks for the clarification. So, effectively, Webberley is still free to practice.

No, not at present. She can't practise while suspended.

Thanks for the clarification.

I think we all need to be careful here about the true facts of what is going on. We all know the spin that the media puts on things and how sensationalised things get.

I am very familiar with the work of GenderGP and to be honest I think they are a very professional business that in very many cases is a lifeline for transsexual (and note I very deliberately didnt say transgender) patients.

On the NHS patients are now waiting about 3 years for hormone therapy . In Wales the situation is atrocious; the Cardiff service due to launch in March has still not launched.

In an ideal world the NHS would help transsexual patients with Gender Dysphoria / Gender Identity Disorder but that is sadly not the case and it has fallen to GenderGP to be a lifeline.

But they aren't acting professionally or ethically.
They shouldn't be having anything to do with children.
They shouldn't be prescribing over the internet or phone.
They should be giving patients extensive counselling before prescribing anything. In person. With a bias towards thinking that a person's mental health problems can be cured without lifelong drugs.

what drspouse said

they prescribed drugs which sterilised a 12 year old

how is that OK?

Even WPATH do not endorse prescribing cross-sex hormones to someone under 16. She was only caught because a responsible pharmacist reported it.

She said she complies with WPATH guidelines, clearly she doesn't.

I am very familiar with the work of GenderGP and to be honest I think they are a very professional business that in very many cases is a lifeline for transsexual

Which would be great and fine if they were working with adults.

They cross a line working with children.

*they prescribed drugs which sterilised a 12 year old

how is that OK?*

I dont think any of us know the specifics of this situation. The ITV drama "Butterfly" showed a chilling example of a child that knew they were in the wrong body and were self mutilating. That drama was based on situations that happen in real life.

Do we know if it was hormones or puberty blockers that were being prescribed. Do we know the mental health of the patient. Do we know what the outcome would have been had Dr. Webberley not prescribed ?

The media portrays "transgender" in a casual, self-id, lifestyle choice kind of way and I feel that that creates misunderstanding. Transsexual patients with Gender Dysphoria and Gender Identity Disorder have a very real and very debilitating struggle. A recent survey found that 41% of transsexual people have attempted suicide. I would be the first person to tell you this whole transgender nonsense is ridiculous - gender is not a lifestyle choice or a sexual fetish but we cant forget those unfortunate souls with GD.

*They shouldn't be prescribing over the internet or phone.
They should be giving patients extensive counselling before prescribing anything. *

As I understand it whilst GenderGP do offer a remote service via Skype they still require a detailed assessment process via counsellors and psychologists and a number of blood tests.

A recent survey found that 41% of transsexual people have attempted suicide.

Which survey?
Before or after transition?
What control population?
How were respondents selected?
The Tavistock gender identity disorders clinic said they'd seen under 10 attempts or suicides among several thousand young patients. Other surveys have indicated that although the rate of suicide or self-harm IS somewhat higher than for the general population it's on a par with that for other users of mental health services.

I'm not trivialising suicidal thinking. But it shouldn't be overstated or exaggerated, and the statistics should be used with great care.

'under 10 attempts', to be clear, meant 'fewer than 10', not attempts made by children under 10.

We are not talking TV dramas here
We are not even talking about the sorry state of the NHS. Every person on this Forum will have a tale to tell about family or friends struggling under the NHS system.
We are not talking dodgy surveys
We are talking about a GP who now has a criminal conviction for prescribing illegal treatment to children.

Children trust adults, and this adult, a GP, caused irreparable harm
This is about Safeguarding children, vulnerable children.

can'tgetrid

The District Judge said: 'In this case there seems to be a clear refusal to follow the law and that is a significant aggravating
factor.'

How can such a business possibly be described as 'professional'?

I dont think any of us know the specifics of this situation.

Helen Webberley admitted to giving cross-sex hormones to a 12-year-old.

She told the BBC she had given cross-sex hormone treatment to one 12-year-old and three 15-year-olds, despite NHS guidelines that they be given at about 16 or over.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-41213534

Do we know what the outcome would have been had Dr. Webberley not prescribed ?

No. And neither does she.

Perhaps the child would have gone through puberty and decided that being a girl wasn't so bad after all.

The ITV drama "Butterfly" showed a chilling example of a child that knew they were in the wrong body and were self mutilating.

The irresponsible drama showed a deeply unhappy child who was not allowed to behave in gender-non-conforming ways. That child's mental health problems won't be cured by hormone blockers.

And you can't be born in the wrong body. Not in a literal sense. You can feel your body is wrong, but that's not the same thing. If you believe in a gendered soul that is a religious belief. There is no scientific basis for such a belief.

I haven’t read the reports but was aware of the case. Helen was my GP at one point and bizarrely Mike looked after me superbly in MAU when I was seriously ill. He was the only medic who believed me. Both were amazing doctors who cared and listened.
Has something gone very very wrong?

Has something gone very very wrong?

It looks as though they've made a few very unethical decisions.

I can see how someone could be fine working in an organization with management, standards and accountability, and then move further and further away from that when working on their own business with bills to pay and an over inflated sense of their own importance.

Has something gone very very wrong?

Look up the criminological pathologies of angels of mercy and malignant heroes. They've left first do no harm far behind, I'm afraid.

I haven’t read the reports but was aware of the case. Helen was my GP at one point and bizarrely Mike looked after me superbly in MAU when I was seriously ill. He was the only medic who believed me. Both were amazing doctors who cared and listened. Has something gone very very wrong?

They are currently sterilising children. What do you think?

How can prescribing drugs to someone you have only ever spoken to via Skype be ethical?

You need to have your blood pressure taken and be weighed just to get a prescription for contraceptive pills FFS.

I was telling some people at work about this today. they literally could not believe what they were hearing. thought I must be talking about another country

it's astonishing that these people were able to do such harm

According to twitter there was a crowddfunder to pay Webberley's fines, which has now been pulled (as it's not allowed to crowdfund for court imposed fines)