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Linda and Venice's court case has been thrown out

157 replies

ChickenonaMug · 30/11/2018 10:30

Result!

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arranbubonicplague · 30/11/2018 11:09

Gah - wish my day was arranged differently so that I could go along for the announcement when Venice and Linda leave the court.

SophoclesTheFox · 30/11/2018 11:09

Fantastic news! I hope that the lovely person who brought this case has racked up a huge bill. I also sincerely hope that they get exactly what they deserve in life Smile

ContessaHallelujahSparklehorse · 30/11/2018 11:12

Fantastic news Grin

Melamin · 30/11/2018 11:13

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More flowers still too excited-

and more grins

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GreenHats · 30/11/2018 11:30

Good news, lets hope the press cover this properly

scepticalwoman · 30/11/2018 11:34

Excellent news. At a time when the Police and courts are struggling to cope with lawlessness and serious crimes, I wonder how many person hours and money this charade cost?

StealthNinjaMum · 30/11/2018 11:37

Fantastic, I was at the last court date and was feeling a bit depressed that I couldn't go to this one.

Thank you for updating us op, it has actually made my day.

HavelockVetinari · 30/11/2018 11:41

@RepealTheGRA there's a new civil tort (introduced in 2016 in Willis vs. Joyce) regarding malicious prosecution - previously this was only used in criminal cases but since the Willis case has been expanded to include civil cases. It would depend on the judgement issued today though as to whether it's worth persuing

  • once it's online if someone could post a link to it that'd be great.
arranbubonicplague · 30/11/2018 11:46

It will be interesting to see why the case was thrown out/discontinued.

In a State prosecution, the defendant who challenges the sufficiency of the evidence has one option: to apply to the Court to dismiss the case. In a private prosecution, the defendant has an additional option: to invoke section 6(2) of the Prosecution of Offences Act 1985, which entitles the Director of Public Prosecutions (“the DPP”) to take over a private prosecution so as to discontinue it. The DPP’s policy on private prosecutions states that she will discontinue a private prosecution if the evidential test from the CPS Code for Crown Prosecutors (“the CPS Code”) is not satisfied, i.e. there is no realistic prospect that the defendant would be convicted. The lawfulness of the DPP’s policy was affirmed by the Supreme Court in R v Gujra.[1] Their Lordships regarded the DPP’s power to discontinue a private prosecution on evidential grounds as an important safeguard against abuse of the right to prosecute.

On the matter of costs (from same link):

Earlier this year, Peter Gray, the former partner of Gibson Dunn & Crutcher LPP, received a substantial costs award after Hammersmith Magistrates Court dismissed a private prosecution brought against him and others concerning allegations of human trafficking. District Judge Tan Ikram reportedly described the private prosecution as “wholly improper”. The Judge’s rebuke is a reminder that private prosecutions, which have swung into fashion in recent times, need to be carefully handled.

www.corkerbinning.com/defending-a-private-prosecution/

Mumsnut · 30/11/2018 11:46

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MrsScamander · 30/11/2018 11:47

Can anyone give me a brief explanation of why they were taken to court?

OlennasWimple · 30/11/2018 11:49

But, but but...."Giuliana Kendal is a brave & inspirational woman who, at huge personal cost, is fighting for justice & truth for the entire #trans community, against dangerous & malevolent forces which exist in our midst."

Dr Haddock says so, so it must be true Grin twitter.com/hashtag/flowersforgiuliana

arranbubonicplague · 30/11/2018 11:51

Speaking after the assault on Maria Mc, Linda Bellos said that if a TRA attempted to hit her, she'd take her glasses off and fight back. She recounted some stories of being taught to box and having to fight racists literally in the street in her childhood.

Linda is prosecuted for causing fear and alarm by offering violence. An edited version of the video exists that strips context and is being construed as Linda threatening to "bash" TRAs rather than defend herself.

Venice is being prosecuted for transmitting the broadcast/uploading the video.

Some details might be awry but that's essentially it.

deepwatersolo · 30/11/2018 11:52

Excellent! A non-throughthelookingglass moment, for a change.

The judge misreading the email ended up giving Venice and Linda good publicly if the press showed up.

What email?

Seems to me that the TRAs had a timely heads up, anyway.

Why do you think so?

Linda and Venice would be justified in feeling very cross if the 'stop' was delayed till the last minute, to cause maximum tension and disruption to them (which I hope could be reflected in the costs award).

What stop?

arranbubonicplague · 30/11/2018 11:52

Linda B said the bit about defending herself in similar circumstances, should they arise, as part of her talk during a meeting that was broadcast. ^^

BubonicBudgie · 30/11/2018 11:53

Yay Gin

WhatTheWatersShowedMe · 30/11/2018 12:08

IN YOUR FACE!

arranbubonicplague · 30/11/2018 12:21

Information in this thread about CPS taking over prosecution to drop case and that defence is seeking to recover costs:

twitter.com/Skepticat_UK/status/1068463812116926469

Threewheeler1 · 30/11/2018 12:25

Ba-boom! FlowersGrinGin
Right now I'd like a massive arse emoji, as in 'kiss my...' Grin

BrienneofTERF · 30/11/2018 12:25

great news!

Threewheeler1 · 30/11/2018 12:28

Time for an FWR boards Conga I think....Grin

Mumsnut · 30/11/2018 12:29

Still can't understand why it took CPS till the 11th hour to spike this case. Surely, its flimsiness has been apparent for AGES?

RepealTheGRA · 30/11/2018 12:31

Thanks HavelockVetinari Smile

LittleLifeRaft · 30/11/2018 12:32

Fantastic news!

Chatterbox66 · 30/11/2018 12:33

This is such great news. I couldn’t make it to the hearing today. Is anyone meeting this afternoon before the LAWS meeting?